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One thing I forgot to add in my last post: despite all that's been said in the thread, I forgot to add that my gut sentiment, in the end, is the same as Penthaetria's.

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Originally Posted by StuartK
I think that Metropolitan John (Zizoulis') critique of the "pure" Eucharistic ecclesiology of Nicholas Afanasiev addresses most of the errors in your post, Father.

Zizioulas? Once much appreciated when he first began writing but now seen as suspect in his ecclesiological writings, by the Orthodox at least. Over the years his ecclesiology has moved closer to that of Rome.

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Originally Posted by StuartK
I think that Metropolitan John (Zizoulis') critique of the "pure" Eucharistic ecclesiology of Nicholas Afanasiev addresses most of the errors in your post, Father.

Oh, please, Stuart. Metropolitan John speaks for the Orthodox about as much as Pierre Teilhard de Chardin spoke for the Romans. If you want the Orthodox viewpoint, look to Moscow, Athos or Belgrade. Constantinople seems to have forgotten it.

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Originally Posted by Slavipodvizhnik
Originally Posted by StuartK
I think that Metropolitan John (Zizoulis') critique of the "pure" Eucharistic ecclesiology of Nicholas Afanasiev addresses most of the errors in your post, Father.

Oh, please, Stuart. Metropolitan John speaks for the Orthodox about as much as Pierre Teilhard de Chardin spoke for the Romans. If you want the Orthodox viewpoint, look to Moscow, Athos or Belgrade. Constantinople seems to have forgotten it.
So you're not a Zizioulite, then?

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LOL! No, I might better be termed a Pomazanskiite or an Averkiite. Or better yet, just include me in with the following Orthodox clerics who second my opinion:

Metropolitan Panteleimon of Antinoes
Metropolitan Seraphim of Kythira and Antikythira
Metropolitan Kosmas of Etolia and Akarnania
Metropolitan Seraphim of Piraeus
Metropolitan Artemios of Raskas and Prizrenis, Kossovo and Metohia.
Bishop George (Schaefer) of Mayfield, Abbot of Holy Cross Monastery, Wayne, West Virginia

Archim. Christodoulos, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Koutloumousiou, Holy Mountain
Archim. Joseph, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Xeropotamou, Holy Mountain
Archim. Philotheos, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Karakalou, Holy Mountain
Archim. Agathon, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Constamonitou, Holy Mountain.
Archim. Nikodemos, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Filotheou, Holy Mountain

Protopr. George Metallinos, Peer Professor, School of Theology, University of Athens
Protopr. Theodoros Zisis, Peer Professor, School of Theology, University of Thessaloniki
Archim. Markos Manolis, Spiritual Head of "Pan-Hellenic Orthodox Union"
Archim. Athanasios, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Stavrovouniou, Cyprus.
Archim. Timotheos Sakkas, Abbot of the Holy Monastery Paraklhtou, Oropos
Archim. Kyrill Kehagioglou, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Pantokratoros Melissohoriou Langada
Archim. Sarantis Sarantos, Priest of the Dormition of the Theotokos,Amarousio, Attica.
Archim. Maximos Karavas, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Saint Paraskevi, Milohoriou, Ptolemaidas
Archim. Gregory Hadjinikolaou, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Ano Gatzeas Volou.
Archim. Athanasios Anastasiou, Abbot of the Hily Monastery of Great Meteorou.
Archim.Theoklitos Bolkas, Abbot of Holy Isihastirio of Saint Arsenio the Kapadocian, Halkidiki
Archim. Chrysostomos, Abbot of the Holy Community of Saint Nikodemos, Pentalofos, Goumenitcha.
Archim. Theodore Diamantis, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of the Theotokos, Molyskepastou, Konitsa.
Archim. Palamas Kyrillidis, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of the Nativity of the Theotokos, Kallipetra, Veria.
Archim. Eudokimos, Spiritual Father of the Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Archim. Chrysostomos, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Saint Gerasimos the Jordanian, Jerusalem.
Archim. Laurentios Gratsias, Holy Metropolis of Florina, Prespon and Eordeas.
Archim. Meletios Vadrahanis, Holy Metropolis of Florina, Prespon and Eordeas.
Archim. Paul Demetracopoulos, Holy Monastery of the Transfiguration of the Lord, Moutsialis, Veria.
Archim. Ignatios Kalaitzopoulos, Holy Monastery of Saint Paraskevi, Melohoriou, Ptolemaidas.
Archim. Symeon Georgiadis, Holy Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Ano Gatzeas, Volos
Archim. Augustine Siarras, Holy Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Ano Gatzeas, Volos
Archim. Ambrosios Gionis, Holy Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Ano Gatzeas, Volos
Archim. Benedict, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of the Holy Archangels, Prizreni, with following.
Archim. Gerasimos, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Saint George, Jourgevi Stoupovi, with following.
Archim. Nicholaos, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of the Holy Archangels, Mavropotami, with following.
Archim. Romylos, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of the Entry of the Theotokos, Doumboki Potok, with following.
Archim. Symeon, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Baniska, with following.
Archim. Stephanos, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of the Saints Anargyron Zotsitse, with following.
Archim. Ioannikios Kotsonis, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of the Transfiguration of the Lord, Sohos, Thessaloniki
Archim. Paul Danas, Hieropreacher of the Holy Monastery of Etolias and Akarnanias.
Archim. Constantine Paleologopoulos, retired priest of the Holy Monastery of Kalavriton and Egalias Egio.
Archim. Paisios Papadopoulos, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Saint Gregory Palamas, Filota, Metropolis of Florina.
Archim. Epiphanios Hadjigiagou, Head Metropolitan of the Church of Florina, Florina.
Archim. Athanasios Siamakis, Hieropreacher of the Holy Monastery of Florina
Archim. Anargyros Afthonidis, Military Priest, Florina
Archim. Augustine Andritsopoulos, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Myrtias of the Holy Monastery of Etolia and Akarnania.
Archim. Theodosis Kyprianou, Holy Monastery of Saint Filotheou, Skete Saint George, Karyes, Holy Mountain.
Archim. Ignatios Kalaitzopoulos, Holy Monastery of Saint Paraskevi, Milohoriou, Ptolemaidas.
Archim. Ierotheos Skiadas, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of the Dormition of the Theotokos, Vlohou, Agriniou.
Archim. Ioasaph Makris, Holy Monastery of Meteora.
Archim.Kosmas Paleogiannis, Cell of Saint John the Theologian of the Holy Monastery of Dohiariou, Holy Mountain.
Archim. Sevastianos Amantidis, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Saint Paraskevis Vasiliados, Kastoria.
Archim.Christos Kyriazopoulos, past Educational Adviser, Thessaloniki
Archim. Nektarios Ziombolas, Military Priest
Archim. Joseph Aivazoglou, Holy Church of the Theotokos Ahiropiitou (not made by hand) Thessaloniki.
Elder Gregory, HieromonkHoly IsyhastirionDanieleon, Katounakia, Holy Mountain.
Elder Efstratios, Hiermonk, Holy Monastery of Great Lavvra, Holy Mountain.
Elder Fillipos, Hieromonk, Kalyvi of Great Athanasiou, Mikra Agia Anna, Holy Mountain.
Hieromonk Athanasios, Holy Isyhastirion Danieleon, Katounakia, Holy Mountain.
Hieromonk Nikodemos, Holy Isyhastirion Danieleon, Katounakia, Holy Mountain.
Hieromonk Nephon, Holy Isyhastirion Danieleon, Katounakia, Holy Mountain.
Hieromonk Chrysostom Kartsonas, Kalyvi of Saint George, Holy Skete of Saint Anna, Holy Mountain.
Hieromonk Onoufrios, Kalyvi of the Holy Forerunner, Holy Skete of Saint Anna, Holy Mountain.
Hieromonk Chrysanthos, Kalyvi of the Holy Forerunner, Holy Skete of Saint Anna , Holy Mountain.
Hieromonk Azarias, Kalyvi of the Holy Forerunner, Holy Skete of Saint Anna, Holy Mountain.
Hieromonk Gabriel, Holy Cell of the Theotokos Gorgoepikoou, Holy Monastery of Pantokratoros, Holy Mountain.
Hieromonk Panteleimon, Holy Cell of Saint Panteleimon, Holy Monastery of Saint Pantokratoros, Holy Mountain.
Hieromonk Basil, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Saints Anargyron, Vratsevo, with following.
Hieromonk Efthimios, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of the Holy Forerunner, Sotsanitsa, with following.
Hieromonk Theoktistos, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Sopotsani, with following.
Hieromonk Tychon, Holy Isyhastirion of Pantokratoros, Melissohorion
Hieromonk Chariton, Hily Cell of Ascension, Karyes, Holy Mountain.
Hieromonk Nestor.
Hieromonk Augustine, Holy Monastery of All Saints and Saint Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Hieromonk Modestos Diasakis, Holy Monastery of Saint Paraskevi, Kastoria.
Hieromonk Raphael Kyriakou, Holy Monastery of Saint Raphael-Marina, Larnaka, Cyprus.
Hieromonk Photios Georgiou, Holy Monastery of Kastorias.

Protopr. Lambros Photopoulos, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Kosma Etolos, Amarousio, Attica.
Protopr. John Photopoulos, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Paraskevi, Attica.
Protopr. Athanasios Minas, Loutraki Korinthias.
Protopr. Eleftherios Palamas, Saints Christophori (God-bearers) Ptolemaid.
Protopr. Constantine Mygdalis, In Charge of the Holy Church of Saint Constantine, Volos.
Protopr. Photios Vezynias, Teacher, Holy Metropolis of Langada.
Protopr. Anthony Bousdekis, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Saint Nicholas of Nicea.
Protopr. Demetrios Vasiliadis, Holy Metropolis of Maronia and Komotini
Protopr. Vasilios E. Voloudakis, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Nicholas Pefkakion, Athens.
Protopr. Vasilios Gogidis, Officiating priest, Holy Metropolitan Church of Saint Nicholas, Megapoleos.
Protopr. Nicholas Zaharopoulos, Officiating priest of the Holy Church of Saint Fanourios, Drapetsonas.
Protopr. Haralambos Lalaitis, Officiating priest, Holy Church of the Theotokos Myrtidiotissis, Piraeus.
Protopr. Chariton Pappas, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Demetrios, Piraeus.
Protopr. Panagiotis Sahtouris, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Nilus, Pireaus.
Protopr. Constantinos Tzafestas, Officiating priest, Holy Metropolitan Church of Kerkyra, Theologian, retired Professor M.E., Kerkyra.
Protopr. Christos Christodoulos, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Constantine and Helen, Piraeus.
Protopr. Radoslav Jankovic, Secretary of the Holy Metropolis of Raskas and Prizrenis and Kossovo and Metohia.
Protopr. Dimitrios Vasiliadis, Komotini.
Protopr. Anastasios Semertzidis, Hierarchal Commissioner of the Kastoria eparchy.
Protopr. George Kougioumtzoglou, Thessaloniki.
Protopr. Constantinos Andreopoulos, Holy Monastery Florinis.
Protopr. Vasilios Christidis, Holy Monastery Attikis.
Protopr. Haralambos Nalpadidis, Holy Monastery Florinis.
Protopr. Photios Bithas, Holy Monastery of Saint Spyridon, Great Yarmouth, England.
Priest Dionysios tatsis, Educator, Konitsa.
Priest Demetrios Sarris, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Pammegiston Taksiarhon, Sesklou, Esonias.
Priest Efthimios Antoniadis, Holy Metropolis of Larisa.
Priest Anastasios Gotsopoulos, Officiating priest of the Holy Church of Saint Nicholas, Patra.
Priest George Papageorgiou, Holy Metropolis Demetriados.
Priest Peter Hirs, Petrokerasa, Halkidiki.
Priest Theophanis Manouras, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Athanasiou Valestinou, Magnesias.
Priest Pashalis Ginoudis, Holy Metropolis of Larisa.
Priest George Diamantopoulos, Lavrio, Holy Metropolis Mesogeas.
Priest Vasilios Kokolakis, Officiating priest, Holy Church of the Holy Cross, Holargos.
Priest Peter Pantazis, Officiating priest, Holy Church of the Transfiguration, Halandriou.
Priest Anthony Valvis, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Nilus, Piraeus.
Priest John Vernikos, Holy Church of the Annunciation of the Theotokos, Montgomery, Alabama.
Priest Nicholas Gavalles, Holy Church of the Holy Apostles, Psalidiou, Amarousio.
Priest Iraklis Drivas, Officiating Priest, Holy Church of the Theotokos Myrtidiotissa, Piraeus.
Priest Demetrios Kalabounias, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Nilus, Piraeus.
Priest Demetrios Lambrou, clergy, Holy Monastery Prevezis, Aneza-Artas.
Priest Basilios Mouzelis, Officiating priest, Chapel of Saints Anargyron, Hospital of Halkidos.
Priest Panagiotis Balis, Officiating priest, Holy Church of the Entry of the Theotokos, Imerovigliou, Thera.
Priest Christopher Chronis, Holy Monastery Etolias and Akarnanias.
Priest Sotirios Manolopoulos, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Basil Vrahneika, Holy Monastery of Patra.
Priest George Vasilakis, Lyon, France.
Priest Theoharis Megas, Hieroteacher, Director of Plystylou, Kavalas.
Priest Daniel de Oliveira Pinheiro, Ukrainian Orthodox Church in Brazil.
Priest Demetrios Sykopoulos, Holy Monastery Kastorias.
Priest Triantafyllos Xeros, Thessaloniki.
Presvytera Maria Tsiplakaki, Vathilakkos, Kozani.
Stewart Demetrios Papagiannis, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Fanourios, Drapetsonas.
Stewart John Psarras, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint George Mesoropis, Holy Monastery Eleftheroupoleos.
Stewart John Kyprianou, Officiating priest, Holy Church of Saint Nicholas, Egomi-Lefkosia, Cyprus.
Priest Miltiadis Karagiannis, Kefalohori Imathias.

Hierodeacon Theologos Kostopoulos, Holy Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Ano Gazeas Volou.
Hierodeacon Antonios, Holy Isyhastirion Pantokratoros, Melissohoriou.
Hierodeacon George Theodoridis, Holy Metropolis of Lerou, Kalymnou and Astypaleas.
Hierodeacon Iraklidios Kleanthous, Holy Metropolis Tamasou, Cyprus.

Elder Theoliptos Monk, Hut of the Holy Forerunner, Holy Scete of Saint Anna, Holy Mountain.
Elder Gabriel Monk, Cell of Saint Christodoulou, Karyes, Holy Mountain.
Elder Ilarion Monk, near Arsana Constamonitou, Holy Mountain.
Elder Daniel Monk, Holy Isyhastirion Danieleon, Katanoukia, Holy Mountain.
Elder Akakios Monk, Holy Isyhastirion Danieleon, Katanoukia, Holy Mountain.
Elder Stefanos Monk, Holy Isyhastirion Danieleon, Katanoukia, Holy Mountain.
Elder Paul Monk, Holy Cell of the Holy Apostles, SceteXenofontos, Holy Mountain.
Elder Onoufrios Monk, Holy Cell of the Nativity of the Theotokos, Holy Monastery Pantokratoros,Holy Mountain.
Elder Nektarios Monk, Holy Cell of the Lifebearing Spring, Holy Monastery Koutloumousiou, Holy Mountain.
Elder Isaak Monk, Holy Cell of the Nativity of the Theotokos, Holy Monastery Stavronikita, Holy Mountain.
Elder Moses Monk, Holy Cell of Saint John Chrysostom, Scete of Saint Panteleimon, Holy Monastery Koutloumousiou, Holy Mountain.
Elder Heruvim Monk, New Scete, Holy Mountain.
Monk Arsenios Vliakoftis, Holy Isyhastirion of Saint Arsenios of Kappadocia, Halkidiki.
Monk George, Holy Cell of the Nativity of the Theotokos, Holy Monastery of Pantokratoros, Holy Mountain.
Monk Christopher, Holy Cell of the Apostles, Scete Xenofontos, Holy Mountain.
Monk Maximos, Holy Isyhastirion Danieleon, Katanoukia, Holy Mountain.
Monk Dositheos, Kathisma Holy Monastery of Koutloumousiou, Holy Mountain.
Monk Spyridon, Cell of Saint Nicholas, Holy Monastery of Koutloumousiou, Holy Mountain.
Monk Damaskinos Agiorite, Holy Cell of the Holy Forerunner, Holy Monastery of Karakallou.
Monk Savvas Lavriotis, Holy Monastery of Great Lavra, Holy Mountain.
Monk Theophilos Agiorite, Holy Cell Sanbri, Holy Mountain.
Monk Paisios, Holy Cell of the Holy Archangels "Savveon", Holy Mountain.
Monk Herouvim, Holy Cell of the Holy Archangels, Saint John Koukouzeli, Holy Mountain.
Monk Nikodemos, Holy Cell of Saint Nektarios, Kapsala, Holy Mountain.
Monk Disitheos, Holy Monastery of the Transfiguration of the Lord, Sohos, Langada.
Monk Chariton, Hut of the Holy Forerunner, Holy Scete of Saint Anna, Holy Mountain.
Monk Nikodemos, Hut of the Holy Forerunner, Holy Scete of Saint Anna, Holy Mountain.
Monk Averkios, Hut of the Holy Forerunner, Holy Scete of Saint Anna, Holy Mountain.
Monk Prodromos, Hut of the Holy Forerunner, Scete of Saint Anna, Holy Mountain.
Monk Arsenios, Holy Hut of Saint Gerasimos, Scete of Saint Panteleimon, Holy Monastery Koutloumousiou, Holy Mountain.
Monk Arsenios, Holy Isyhastirion Pantokratoros, Melissohoriou.
Monk Demetrios, Holy Isyhastirion Pantokratoros, Melissohoriou.
Monk Dionysios, Holy Isyhastiorion Pantokratoros, Melissohoriou.
Monk Efstratios, Holy Isyhastirion Pantokratoros, Melissohoriou.
Monk Ignatios, Holy Isyhastirion Pantokratoros, Melissohoriou.
Monk Mardarios, Jerusalem.
Monk Michael, Holy Isyhastirion Pantokratoros, Melissohoriou.
Monk Nektarios, Holy Isyhastirion Pantokratoros, Melissohoriou.
Monk Nicodemos Bilalis, Cell of the Visitation (Ypapanti) - Kapsala, Holy Mountain.
Monk Pahomios, Holy Isyhastirion Pantokratoros, Melissohoriou.
Monk Raphael, Holy Isyhastirion Pantokratoros, Melissohoriou.
Monk Arkadios Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Monk Arsenios Kotzias, Holy Monastery of Saint Paraskevi, Kastoria.
Monk George, New Scete, Holy Mountain.
Monk Efraim Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Monk Zosimas Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Monk Ioannikos Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Monk Iosaph Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Monk Kallinikos Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Monk Lazaros Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem
Monk Merkourios Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Monk Paisios Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Monk Raphael Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Monk Savvas Mousdikas, Holy Monastery of Saint Paraskevi, Kastoria.
Monk Seraphim Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.
Monk Philotheos Tzimoropoulos, Holy Monastery of Saint Paraskevi, Kastoria.
Monk Herouvim Sabbaite, Holy Lavra of Saint Savva the Sanctified, Jerusalem.

Nun Agathi Antoniou, Abbess, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Mariam, Abbess, Holy Monastery of Saint Laurentios, Pilio.
Nun Christonymphi, Holy Monastery of Saint Laurentios, Pilio.
Nun Laurentia, Holy Monastery of Saint Laurentios, Pilio.
Nun Agathinoi Antoniou, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Agathodouli Hondrou, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Agathokliti Athanatou, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Alexia Peppa, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Vessaria Laskou, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Eufimia Dionysopoulou, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Thekla Barka, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Theodosia Bouba, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Theoktisti Paila, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Theologia Papadaki, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Theoproti Tzitzira, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Theotekni Mitsikosta, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Theophania Kyriazopoulou, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Justina Demetriou, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Magdalen Papadam, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Makrina Pappa, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Mariam Kalogianni, Holy Shrine of the Transfiguration of the Lord, Holy Metropolis of Ierissou and of the Holy Mountain.
Nun Marina Famisi, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Markella Gaki, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Nektaria Bali, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Nikodimi Siahouli, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Kseni Karamihou, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Prodromi Kapeti, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Sarra, Abbess, Holy Monastery of Saint Nicholas, Kontsoul, with following.
Nun Silouani Phillips, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Stephania Tesia, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Synglitiki Rekata, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Fevronia Dalla, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Philothei Bali, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Haralambia Mastoraki, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Christoniphi Bandeka, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Chrysostomi Polyzou, Holy Monastery of Saint Stephen, Holy Meteora.
Nun Melani, Thessaloniki.
Nun Christodouli, Thessaloniki.


Archimandrite Philemon Castro, Los Banos, Laguna, Philippines
Ieromonah Ioan Buliga, Manastirea Jacul Romanesc
Ieromonah Leontios, Slobozia, Romania
Hieromonk Mark, Economos
Hieromonk Nicolas (Vera) Parish Priest of the Parish of Saint Andrew and Saint Nicolas SerbianPatriarchate,
Jeromonah Naum Mirkovic, Proiguman Manastira Crna Reka Serbija
Hieromonk Nicolás (Vera), Parish Priest of the Parish of Saint Andrew and Saint Nicolás, Alicante (Spain), Serbian Patriarchate
Jeromonah Irinej Ristic, iguman manastira Bogorodia Brainska, eparhija rasko prizrenska i kosovsko-metohijska
Jeromonach Varnava Dimitrijevic, manastir Crna Reka, eparhija rasko prizrenskai kosovsko-metohijska

P. Protopresbitero Jorge (Georgios) Faraj, Sacerdote Ortodoxo del patriarcado de Antioquia en Honduras, Centro America
Protopresbyter Roman Cheb, Russia Siberia, sity Prokopyevsk, Paris Priest, Sacred Temple of Saint Nicholas
Pr. Constantin Diboș
Presbyter Sasha Petrovich, parish priest os St. Nicholas Serbian Orthodox Church, Omaha, Nebraska, USA
Priest Koniukhov Dimitry
Priest Toderita Rusu, the Ascenssion of Lord, Bucharest Romania
Fr. Photios, Spiritual Director, St. James the Just True Orthodox Center website, Russian True Orthodox Church.
Pr. Paroh Mihai Solomon, Parohia Sf. Ilie, Girona, Spania
Protodeacon Basil Alexandrovich Yakimov, Russian Orthodox Church
Diacono Ignacio Miranda, Catedral Ortodoxa Antioquena de San Pedro Sula, Honduras, Centro America
monah Hariton Vlajic, manastir Plocnik, eparhija rasko prizrenska i kosovskometohijska

Monahia Eufimia, Mănăstirea Sfinţii Arhangheli, Slobozia, România

Subdeacon Jorge Luiz Slobodaniuk, Ukrainian Orthodox church in Brazil (Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople)


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Originally Posted by MarkosC
One thing I forgot to add in my last post: despite all that's been said in the thread, I forgot to add that my gut sentiment, in the end, is the same as Penthaetria's.
Thank you, Markos.

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Well sometimes I fear the Unia is a noble, but failed experiment. Bishop Zoghby restores hope, however idealistic.

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I would say the Romanian Catholic monastic community in Southern California live the Zoghybist catechism in its purest sense. Now the difficult part is attempting to live that same ideal as a member of the laity.

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I wholeheartedly embrace the so-called "Zoghby Initiative," and affirm that:

(1) I believe everything which Eastern Orthodoxy teaches.
(2) I am in communion with the Bishop of Rome as the first among the bishops, according to the limits recognized by the Holy Fathers of the East during the first millennium, before the separation.


Moreover, I agree with Melkite Archbishop Zoghby who said: ". . . Vatican I has the same designation as the Council of Lyons, a 'general' synod of the West. With this designation it is neither ecumenical nor infallible and could produce only theological opinions that can not be imposed on anyone." [Archbishop Elias Zoghby, "Ecumenical Reflections"]

And I also agree with the Melkite Patriarch who has said: "We must explain and clarify the topics that are obstacles to our full communion [with the Orthodox]: Primacy of the Pope of Rome, Western Councils which cannot be recognized as Ecumenical Councils (as it has been admitted by highly qualified Western theologians since Pope Paul VI) . . ."

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Fr. Serge:

I would really appreciate your opinion on this topic, and on Bishop Zoghby.

Thanks

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Holy Hierarch and Father Elias, pray to God for us!

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. . . about as much as Pierre Teilhard de Chardin spoke for the Romans.


Alexandr:

Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!

The really scary part of this statement is that, for so many, Fr. Teihard's theories are still circulated in so many circles in the Latin Church. Even though Rome has reaffirmed that his writings are theologically off the mark during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II, it's still going on.

BOB

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