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Hello. I was just wondering How EC's teach their children Holy communion and Chrismation as they receive them from birth? In the roman we normally wait until the child is of reason before that comes about.

And because we are transferring to the UGCC we would like to know how you school your children in teaching them Holy Communion and Chrismation as they get older?

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I'm RC however I embrace Eastern Catholic understanding of the Sacraments of Initiation or Holy Mysteries; which is the imparting of supernatural character into the life of the soul and the person for the purpose of spiritual edification unto their continuing growth in Christ. It's really a short coming of thr Roman Rite that we have fallen into the habit of setting aside a certain year for reflection and learning on thr topic of sealing with the Holy Spirit. Doing so only promotes the attitude of graduation no matter how many times we caution that Confirmation isn't graduation-- we treat it like it is.

Instead, I believe Eastern Catholics and myself alike, endeavor upon a lifetime of learning and leadership in Christ for our children. This life in Christ is woven throughout our days --- it is a way of life to teach the children.

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There back in the '70s, 80's and 90's a predominant view in RC catechetical circles was that Confirmation is a type of Catholic Bar Miztvah...these immature teenagers were told stuff like, "Confirmation will make you into an adult in your Faith"..."now you are going to accept personally what your parents and godparents declared for you when you were baptized as a baby"...blahblahblah...just a coupla steps away from the "altar call" as practiced in local Baptist communities.

And the classes, attendance at meetings, all the hoops these poor kids were put through just to get confirmed...sometimes these parish/diocesan-imposed rules and regulations were so stringent and strict they ended up discouraging & preventing kids from getting confirmed.

For many of them (and their parents), it was the last time they set foot in a Catholic Church. The attitude was, "Whew! Now we got THAT over with! What a royal pain all that was." Talk about Sturm und Drang; drama and trauma...

It would have so much less stressful if they had been confirmed/chrismated at Baptism. The late Bishop of Dallas, Bp. Thomas Tschoepe, often said he admired the way the ECs took care of Confirmation & that he'd have favoured the practice being introduced into the Latin rite.

It sure would have reduced his travel time and simplified his schedule.

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Once upon a time a church had bats in its belfry (sp?, well, no matter).
The church tried to smoke them out, but they came back.
The church tried to poison them, but they would not eat the poison.
The church tried to chase them away with brooms, but the next day they had returned.
One sunday the church invited the bishop who then confirmed the bats.
The bats were never to be seen again.

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Christ is Risen!

With regard to the original post and helping children understand what communion and chrismation are about, I think that sometimes there can be a false dilemma being put forward. No Catholic would say the same thing about baptism, as both Latin Rite and Byzantine Rite Catholics would not withhold this sacramental mystery from their infant children. So I would look to the pastoral advice that is given to help think about baptism and apply it to chrismation; namely, that when your children have the chance to see chrismations, that they are encouraged to think on their own reception of the seal of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Likewise with the Eucharist. If you are transferring to a UGCC, you will have ample opportunity after each liturgy to say something about what the liturgy expresses, theologically speaking. I have it as a goal (albeit not fulfilled) to speak to my children after each liturgy and say something like, "Did you hear how we prayed/Father prayed X? Let's think about that some more...."

The import of chrismation and the eucharist will be imparted naturally as time goes on. Just as during the time of Pascha we sing "All you who have been baptized into Christ", you can really stress the import of baptism, so too with what we hear and sing regarding the other mysteries.


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An aberration re. First Holy Communion arose in at least one Latin-rite parish here in N. Texas. In the minds of several parents, the celebration of First Communion degenerated into primarily a pageant, the stars of which were the First Communicants themselves. Among other things, right before the end of the Liturgy, the children were to stand on the altar steps and sing a song, like a little choir serenading/entertaining the congragation.

Thus Jesus was eclipsed and the children replaced Him as the "stars" of the event. It thus had little to do with the Lord but everything hade to do with the narcissistic exaltation of the cuteness of the children.

When a new pastor was appointed who tried to redirect the emphasis of the occasion, he caught a lot of flack from the parents, especially mothers who accused him of trying to "ruin" the First Communion celebraton. Ruining it by replacing the Lord at the centre of everythin.

All the rancor could have been avoided if the practice of communing infants at Baptism had been in place.

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Father Robert Taft wrote on the issue of infant communion in his essay Liturgy in the Life of the Church (1999). Here is the relevant section:


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Infant Communion

A final example is the question of giving Holy Communion to infants who have not yet reached the “age of reason”. Here again, it is a question of the constantly reiterated will of the Holy See, resumed in the Vatican II Decree On the Eastern Churches, Sections 6 and 12, that the Eastern Catholics 1) avoid latinization, 2) preserve their own tradition in its purity, and 3) return to their tradition where they have departed from it.

In harmony with this unambiguous will of the Church, the commission preparing the new Code of Eastern Canon Law prepared new legislation restoring the ancient discipline of infant Communion:

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The traditional discipline of the Eastern Churches prescribes the communion of newly baptized infants as the completion of initiation. . . The commission has not ignored a problem so important as the communion of neophytes, for which reason it was obliged to reestablish the ancient common discipline by composing a new canon in the following terms: “Sacramental initiation into the Mystery of Salvation is perfected through the reception of the Most Holy Eucharist. Therefore let it be administered as soon as possible after baptism and chrismation with the Sacred Myron, according to the discipline proper to each Church”

This decree has become Canon 697 of the new Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches. This has warmed the hearts of Western Catholic experts on Christian Initiation, who for some time now have been arguing for the restoration of the integrity of the threefold rite of initiation in the Roman rite. Unfortunately, it has met with less than enthusiastic acceptance in some Eastern Catholic communities that long ago abandoned in favor of the Latin discipline the ancient common tradition of infant Communion immediately after baptism and chrismation.

Now, in the case of Christian Initiation, modern historical research and historical reflection have shown that the universal primitive tradition of both East and West viewed the liturgical completion of Christian Initiation as one integral rite comprising three moments of baptism, chrismation and Eucharist, and without all three the process is incomplete. In Christian antiquity, to celebrate initiation without Eucharist would have made about as much sense as celebrating half a wedding would today. For this reason, contemporary Western Catholic experts on the liturgy and theology of Christian Initiation have insisted on the necessity of restoring the integrity of this process which broke down in the Middle Ages.

I expect that some of the Eastern Catholic clergy, educated in Latin seminaries or at least in Latin categories of a previous epoch, are convinced that the practice of infant communion is not “Catholic”—or at least not as Catholic as the Latin practice of delaying first Communion until children have attained the use of reason. Why they might think this is no mystery. The prevailing Latin thesis was that the use of reason was necessary to receive the Eucharist fruitfully. But if this is so, what could be the point of infant Communion?

This problem, too, can be dissipated by a knowledge of the facts. From the beginning of the primitive Church in East and West, the process of Christian Initiation for both children and adults was one inseparable sequence comprising catechumenate, baptism, chrismation (confirmation) and Eucharist. History is unmistakably clear in this matter: every candidate, child or adult, was baptized, confirmed, and given Communion as part of a single initiation rite. This is the universal ancient Catholic Tradition. Anything else is less ancient and has no claim to universality.

For centuries, this was also the tradition of the Church of Rome. In 417, Pope Innocent I in a doctrinal letter to the Fathers of the Synod of Milevis, teaches that infant initiation necessarily includes Communioon:

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To preach that infants can be given the rewards of eternal life without the grace of baptism is completely idiotic. For unless they eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, they will not have life in them.

[Note: From the text, it is obvious that Innocent I is teaching principally that without baptism infants cannot be saved. But the argument he uses from John 6:53, which refers to the necessity of eucharist for salvation, shows he simply took for granted that communion was an integral part of Christian Initiation for infants].

That this was the actual liturgical practice of Rome can be seen, for example, in the 7th century Ordo romanus XI, and in the 12th century Roman pontifical, which repeats almost verbatim the same rule (I cite from the later text):

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Concerning infants, care should be taken that they receive no food or be nursed (except in case of urgent need) before receiving the sacrament of Christ’s Body. And afterwards, during the whole of Easter Week, let them come to Mass, and receive Communion every day.

Until the 12th century this was the sacramental practice of the Roman Church and the doctrinal teaching of Latin theologians. Christ Himself said in John 6:53 that it was necessary for eternal life to receive his Body and Blood—“Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you”—and the medieval Latin theologians applied this to everyone without exception, infants included.

The practice began to be called into question in the 12th century not because of any argument about the need to have attained the “age of reason” (aetus discretionis) to communicate. Rather, the fear of profanation of the Host if the child could not swallow it led to giving the Precious Blood only. And then the forbidding of the chalice to the laity in the West led automatically to the disappearance of infant Communion, too. This was not the result of any pastoral or theological reasoning. When the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) ordered yearly confession and Communion for those who have reached the “age of reason” (annos discretionis), it was not affirming this age as a requirement for reception of the Eucharist. Even the 1910 decree Quam singulari issued under Pius X mentions the age of reason not as required before Communion, but as the age when the obligation of satisfying the precept begins.

Nevertheless, the notion eventually took hold that Communion could not be received until the age of reason, even though infant Communion in the Latin rite continued in some parts of the West until the 16th century. Though the Fathers of Trent (Session XXI,4) denied the necessity of infant Communion, they refused to agree with those who said it was useless and inefficacious—realizing undoubtedly that the exact same arguments used against infant Communion could also be used against infant baptism, because for over ten centuries in the West, the same theology was used to justify both! For the Byzantine rite, on December 23, 1534, Paul III explicitly confirmed the Italo-Albanian custom of administering Communion to infants.

So the plain facts of history show that for 1200 years the universal practice of the entire Church of East and West was to communicate infants. Hence, to advance doctrinal arguments against infant Communion is to assert that the sacramental teaching and practice of the Roman Church was in error for 1200 years. Infant Communion was not only permitted in the Roman Church, at one time the supreme magisterium taught that it was necessary for salvation. In the Latin Church the practice was not suppressed by any doctrinal or pastoral decision, but simply died out. Only later, in the 13th century, was the ‘age of reason’ theory advanced to support the innovation of baptizing infants without also giving them Communion. So the “age of reason” requirement for Communion is a medieval Western pastoral innovation, not a doctrinal argument. And the true ancient tradition of the whole Catholic Church is to give Communion to infants. Present Latin usage is a medieval innovation.

The real issue, of course, is not infant Communion, but the universal tradition of the integrity of Christian Initiation, which the West abandoned only in the 12th century. The traditional order of initiation (baptism, chrismation, communion) was maintained until Quam singulari in 1910, when in some countries first Communion began to be given before confirmation. But the Holy See has in the official praenotando of the new Roman Rite of Christian Initiation promulgated May 15, 1969, reaffirmed the traditional order and interrelationship of these rites:

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1. Through the sacraments of Christian initiation, men and women are freed from the power of darkness. With Christ, they die, are buried and rise again. They receive the Spirit of adoption which makes them God’s sons and daughters and with the entire people of God, they celebrate the memorial of the Lord’s death and resurrection.

2. Through baptism, men and women are incorporated into Christ. They are formed into God’s people, and they obtain forgiveness for all their sins. They are raised from their natural human condition to the dignity of adopted children. They become a new creation through water and the Holy Spirit. Hence they are called, and are indeed the children of God.

Signed with the gift of the Spirit in confirmation, Christians more perfectly become the image of their Lord and are filled with the Holy Spirit. They bear witness to him before all the world, and work eagerly for the building up of the Body of Christ.

Finally, they come to the table of the Eucharist, to eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, so that they may have eternal life and shoew forth the unity of God’s people. By offering themselves with Christ, they share in his universal sacrifice: the entire community of the redeemed is offered to God by their high priest. They pray for a greater outpouring of the Holy Spirit so that the whole human race may be brought into the unity of God’s family.

Thus the three sacraments of Christian Initiation clearly combine to bring the faithful to full stature of Christ and to enable them to carry out the mission of the entire people of God I the Church and in the world.

Thus the Catholic Church has reaffirmed the normative value of the ancient tradition preserved from time immemorial in the East—a renewal received with enthusiasm by all the experts in the field. So both universal early tradition and the present teaching of even the Latin Church show Eastern practice to be not a strange exception that should be abandoned, but the traditional ideal that should be preserved or restored.

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First communion is often the first opportunity since baptism to get the lukewarm masses of people into the church. The next opportunity comes about six years later - it's confirmation. So there will be no "restoration of the traditional ideal" in the predictable future, as it would make the church attendance decline even more. This is the sad reality.

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Some Directors of Religious Education that I have worked/do work with have referred to the children receiving their First Communion as a ceremony! mad

Now this is not the majority, it is a slight minority of those who have no formal training, but still is a terrible, terrible mindset.

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First communion is often the first opportunity since baptism to get the lukewarm masses of people into the church. The next opportunity comes about six years later - it's confirmation. So there will be no "restoration of the traditional ideal" in the predictable future, as it would make the church attendance decline even more. This is the sad reality.

That's what happens when we venerate Saint Pragmatica and Our Lady of the Full Parking Lot too much.

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In this country the Ukrainian Greek Catholic congregations have Liturgy only once or twice a year when a priest visits from Australia, and Melkites and Maronites are also without clergy.

In order to commune their (underage by Roman Catholic standards) children, two of the families take the Host back to the pew and share it with their young children.

I asked them why they do this because after all Roman Catholics priests are supposed to commune Eastern Catholic children. One mother said she had tried that but was subjected to some embarrassment when she presented at the altar with a babe in arms. So she prefers to do it quietly when she comes back from communion with her own communion wafer.

Melkites and Maronites do not share the problem to the same extent since they and their babies and young children may receive communion at Antiochian churches.


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I don't see how one could avoid calling First Communion a ceremony - it certainly does have a ceremonial quality to it. What I see as unfortunate & misguided is that the ceremony often is about how cute and darling the children are in their special attire; and the Lord Jesus takes, at beast, 2nd. place. It's about making children and parents feel better about themselves.

Like so many things in Churches today, it's not about Jesus; or not very much about Him. But it IS about personalities and people and theur self-exaltation at the expense of Jesus.

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It seems the remnant of the UGCC in New Zealand are more Byzantine than in the Australian side of the Eparchy where first communions just like the Latins do is standard practice. Children reading the Epistle on the day and all the children all dressed up with the girls all in white dresses and veils. It is very rare indeed for very young children to be given communion. Very few parents would know what proper practice is meant to be in the UGCC, such is the standard of religious education here. The Latin practice of children coming forward to be blessed instead of taking communion is a new practice that has come in and is gaining ground.

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wow! thank you for this discussion it has helped and aided me in the process of teaching my newborn son about the Lord Jesus and in raising him Greek Catholic. It is a learning process for me as much as it will be for himself.

In Ireland it is even known that confirmation and communion is very much about adult initiation than about the sacrament itself. they even hire out limos and helicopters to take their children to the church. Such has been also seen with marriages. We for our marriage had a humble car but if I had my way would of preferred to arrive on a donkey or cycled in on my bycycle :L

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My wife and I are Greek Catholics and we moved to Sioux Falls, SD a few years ago where there is no Greek Catholic Church. I find if you get to know a Latin Priest and explain the situation to him him, they are usually more than willing to give communion to our son. In fact we sometimes attend the Tridentine Mass and the priest breaks off a piece of the host and places it in my son's mouth(even when he was an infant). So not all Latins are ingnorant of eastern practice.

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