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On EWTN at 1pm today central time they had a program on the Byzantine Churches, it was the slot for FR. JOHN CORAPI, I think. It was from the Ruthenians, of a display at the Heinz History Center, and it was done before Metroplitan Judson died. I do hope they show it again, it was well done. I wish they had included the makings of a Pascha Basket, however they did everything else. It was good.

Pani Rose, Yes, we watched it here. It really was well done. I especially thought the explanation of iconography was excellent. Sure hope they show it again. I checked whether it would repeat today, so I can record it, but doesn't look like it. It is available from EWTN's catalogue.

Blessed by this good film.

Mary Jo

I caught the tail end of that like 5 months ago.
I always seem to miss the eastern programmes on EWTN.

I watched it the other day...by mistake...it was suppose to be a FSSP program...

I liked it but found myself wanting a hour more...

james

Dear Friends,

I saw Fr. Taras of the Ukie Studites on EWTN explain the Eastern three-bar Cross . . .

Frankly, it left something to be desired. His explanation, to my mind, of the slanted foot-rest was so confusing and left out so much of the liturgical tradition regarding the foot-rest as a weigh-scale (Lenten office of the 9th Hour) that it left me wishing he had not bothered with filming that segment . . .

Alex

Is that more typically a Ruthenian thing? I guess if I think about it at the ROCOR church I attended as a child, the White Russians and High Russians all brought Kulich (fruit cake baked in a can white frosting and candle inserted on top with died eggs surrounding it) or the pyramidal cheese pascha.

Rose,
what do you include in your pascha basket?
Nonna

We watched the program this afternoon and found it to be far from uplifting. Not only was the video quality rather poor, the commentator spoke with a flat affect - there was no excitement in his voice as he presented the many beautiful icons.
How unfortunate.

Nonna:
Have a look - Ukrainian Easter Traditions!
http://www.brama.com/art/easter.html

Yak se Mash Pavloosh! Dyakouyou for the link. I have to point out though that the Ruthenians and the Ukrainians are two distinct cultures hey-niet? Ruthenian pisanki are quite different from Ukranian pisanki for example. (I bet there's a certain amount of overlap otherwise. )

Pani Nonna:
The similarities certainly outnumber the differences between Ukrainians and "Ruthenians".
It's interesting to ask a member of a Ukrainian parish what his/her nationality is and inevitably the answer is UKRAINIAN.
Ask the same question of a parishioner of a "Ruthenian" church and you'll hear: Russian, Slovak, Hungarian, Rusyn, I don't know, and even Byzantine.
We still smile when we recall the laocal church picnic menu listing Byzantine Pyrohy - 4 for $1.00.
Tremytesyia!

The quality of the filming was indeed poor. However, I found it interesting to see this video on this Sunday at around 1030 pm and wished it had been placed earlier in the peak hours to maximize viewing. Too many of my fellow Latin Catholics have no clue what Eastern Christian Churches are.

Cyril, happy to see some representation of the East by Byzantines even if more is needed

Deacon Lance is correct. My family is techically Rusyn, but they always called themselves Ukrainians.
Are those Byzantine Pierogies of the True Faith?
That thread, ah yeah!
Signed,
Byzantine Pyrohy (or is that Pravoslavni Pyrohy?)
-member of the Deacon Lance for Priesthood fanclub since 2006

Dear Pyrohy,

I know that I am overworked and tired and maybe my eyes are not seeing like they used to, but I did not think that I saw any posts from Father Deacon Lance on this thread.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+

Oh geez Father you're right. Pavloosh and Deacon Lance have the same avatar and that threw me off. My apologies. I am up for an eye exam on the 22 of Feb.
Sorry Pavloosh, Fr. Anthony, and Deacon Lance.
Ok, switch that around. Pavloosh is right!
Go Stillers.

Eh tam Rusnak inne Coal Kontree!

Ti ne rozumiesh, hey niet! ee Pavloosh, Ya resent dose quotation marks around Ruthenian!!! The word "Ukranian" is a newer word, invented by the Austro-Hungarians, any way, it should be in quotes.

The reasons why Ruthenians get confused about whether they are Russian, Ukranian, or Slovak is multifactored, but mostly because they've forgotten their history. The Rusyns are a people without a country. You can find it, Ruthenia that is, on old maps though. Ruthenia is there in the "U.S. Naval Academy Edition of Hammonds HIstorical Atlas" I'm looking for the page numbers to give you a reference.

The Ruthenians have a distinct language and culture. (My Russian teacher would accuse me of talking in Ukrainian when I would accidentally fall into Ponashemo. And I had to explain to her how she was wrong!)

Part of what explains the cultural confusion were the campaigns of Talerhof (1914) and of Operation Vistla (1947) that further separated the people from their history from their land. (and it occurs to me Pravoslavnie Pierohi, that perhaps your relatives survived Talerhof by saying: yes I'm Ukranian and Catholic. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I don't blame anyone for wanting to survive, but that would still explain the forgotten history.)

My Grandfather, God bless his soul, was adamant as he drank his whiskey that he was Russian not Ukranian (and he had silicosis too -- I'm a coalminer's granddaughter!) But he also had a heavy Carpatho-Russian accent. Maybe he was saying Rusyn only it sounded like Russian. Or maybe that's how he translated it. The Rus are the Rus. But on the other hand the Carpatho-Rus are truly the low men on the Slavic totem-pole. They're the hillbillies that the cultoornie White Russians, and High Russians and maybe even the Ukrainians look down on. But we're Rus, Rusnak, Rusyn, Ruthenian, Carpatho-all of the above.

lem tak toje dobrie?

And Pavloosh, you ignored the pisanki point.