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Your points are well taken. There is always room for a scholarly discussion about the role of Rome and St. Peter' primacy in the early Church, and it is always revealing on many levels.

However, this thread begins with a "revelation" of secular medeling by a U.S. government entity, into the Vatican, and it's choice of Popes. I would like to read these documents in order to establish whether there is any truth to this assertion...... or to determine whether this is yet another conspiracy theory meant to sow mistrust in governments and/ or the Church.

So, where can we find links to this?

Christ is in our midst!!

I believe this is NO theological justification for adding to the Creed after its final version was made those many centuries ago. Let everyone modify it as he wills and we no longer have a common statement of what we believe today or how we are related to those who have gone before.

My father, no theologian, once told me that "a man is a success if he can face the Lord and confess that he received the Faith, lived it, and passed it along WITHOUT adding to it or subtracting from it."

BTW, the filioque is not the only addition of Charlemagne's theologians. "God from God" in the early sentences about Christ are also their work.

Thanks Mockingbird.

It was hard enough as a 25 min. talk (I'm a detail person.) but it is now just 20 min. with 5 for questions. I'm still working on getting it down to size while not having it become disjointed, and it's still a speed read. I will post it "as given."

Let your voice be heard! God bless.

I assume this means you would you find it acceptable to Roman Catholics to come to your church and kneel on the floor during the Anaphora, since they are Romans no matter where they are?

Personally, I don't really mind what other people do anywhere as long as they are reverent. But there are many who would prefer for others to "blend in" as far as possible out of respect for the location in which they are a guest.

There is nothing stopping us. Rome canonized 21 coptic martyrs. If they can venerate oriental orthodox saints then why couldn't we venerate eastern orthodox saints?

If the Eastern Catholic is one of the 14 Byzantine rite Churches than to be anti Orthodox is self refuting. Any refutation of Holy Orthodoxy is a refutation of Byzantine Catholicism. Orthodoxy is our Mother Church and where we belong and where God calls us to be. I will never understand how so many in our churches are ok with all the latinization in our liturgy, theology, ecclesiology, etc. We need bold Bishops who are willing to assert our own church's authority and kick Rome out of our affairs entirely. Our synods will appoint our own Bishops with no permission or approval being sought from Rome. That's not needed. Rome is not above the Byzantine Catholic Churches. We are in communion with Rome and Rome is in communion with us. Our Churches are equal. We must stop affirming, even if it's just on paper, the heresy of papal supremacy (something which Rome herself no longer believes in given the Ravenna, Chieti and Alexandria documents and the general direction of Pope Francis' pontificate).

Sounds like all of the "flying" Anglican bishops.

Hi Francis,

Eastern Christian Publications's Byzantine Daily Office (https://ecpubs.com/byzantine-daily-office-bdo/) may be of use to you. It is available both as an app and daily email newsletter that contains the following:

- Morning Prayer
- First Hour
- Third Hour
- Sixth Hour
- Ninth Hour
- Vespers
- Evening Prayer

I would recommend the app, as I find it more convenient. It goes by the name ECPubs on Google Play or ecpubs on the App Store.

It is free; they ask those who can afford it to support them (info on the linked webpage).

Christ is in our midst!!

Francis,

The members of the group behind Monastery Icons began as a Christian group but they are, today, a pagan group--probably Hindu. There are threads here that have discussed them years ago and they might help. If memory serves, they apply a demonic curse to the icons they make.

Their work came to our attention at that time when they offered an icon with a large snake that surrounded one of their offerings.

Bob

Dear brothers and sisters,

Glory to Jesus Christ!
Lately my scoliosis has been flaring up and causing me chronic pain. Physical therapy, chiropractic adjustments, and steroids have been helping. I have turned this cross over to the Lord God Almighty and am grateful still for my life and all that He has blessed me with. Yet, I ask for your prayers that I may find healing and comfort if it be His will. Thank you!

The misquotes and false translations are from anti-papal collection titled The Catholic Faith or Doctrines of the Church of Rome Contrary to Scripture and the Teaching of the Primitive Church by John Harvery Treat, Esq, published by the brotherhood founded by Anglican bishop Edward Randolph Welles of Milwaukee, WI in 1888:
https://anglicanhistory.org/usa/erwelles/

I am posting here to try to help get the word out that we are now in Hayward, CA. We are the only Byzantine Catholic parish in the east bay area. If you know of anyone who lives in the bay area and is interested in attending services please let them know about us. We also now have a beautiful slideshow up on our website of our first Sunday. Please pass it around. https://steliasmelkite.org/

May God bless you.

In Christ,
Fr. Sebastian Carnazzo

I saw a post on you tube about a. Priest who left Christianity
To become a Muslim could that be the same person

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But......the real root of the whole Trump/ Zelenskyy controversy lies in the waging of foreign policy, much like current domestic policy, on the principles of bitterness and revenge. The current leadership has had it in for Zelenskyy since the famous " perfect phone call" ......Zelenskyy hasn't "overplayed his hand with the the American taxpayer". He is just not that familiar with how to navigate a leadership driven by ego instead of democratic ideals. Of course, Putin, being KGB schooled, is extremely good at this. Here is the background...........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal#:~:text=Contacts%20were%20established%20between%20the,Zelenskyy%20on%20July%2025%2C%202019.

I wish you well. Sounds like a wonderful parish!

This is a sensitive topic. My overall problem is that Ukraine is merely a pawn of NATO and the EU; does Russia care about the average Ukrainian? Of course not. But neither does Brussels.

I wish Ukraine and other countries would form third party, independent, non-aligned organizations free of both Russia, Brussels, and America.

Is there anyone working on translating into English the writings of the Ruthenian Greek Catholic monastics? I read a comment somewhere that there are tons of saints and monastics in the Ruthenian and Ukrainian Greek Catholic Churches who are almost completely unknown in the west because none of it has been translated into english?

It would be nice to turn to our own monastics for inspiration and guidance instead of just focusing on pre schism saints and post schism eastern orthodox saints (who should be venerated regardless for their holiness and wisdom nonetheless).

Any historians here with knowledge of a Greek Catholic / Orthodox Church in Lynch, Kentucky in the early to mid 1920s?

Lynch is in southeast Kentucky, southeast of Lexington towards where Kentucky, Virginia, West Virginia and Tennessee all come together. Lynch was (and maybe still is) a coal town. The Greek Catholic / Orthodox Slav immigrants often moved to such places.

Thanks for any info you can offer.

John

These are within 1 hour of you:

Byzantine:
https://www.holyprotection.org/
We are a Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic parish of the Eparchy of Phoenix of the Metropolitan Byzantine Catholic Church of Pittsburgh in full communion with Rome.
We are home to Saints Cyril and Methodius Russian Greek Catholic Community, an outreach to members of the Russian Greek Catholic Church.
And we sponsor the Byzantine Catholic Outreach of Fort Collins, which meets at Saint Elizabeth Ann Seton Catholic Church, Fort Collins.


Maronite:
https://www.strafkadenver.org/


Syro-Malabar:
https://www.stsmdenver.com/

Bob,

Prayers and best wishes for a long and healthy retirement! I’m sure you will find new and challenging things to do in the future.

John

One more question if possible. I've also posted this on the orthodox subreddit.

Did anyone in the late 1600s just flee to scandinavia? I can for instance trace my family seemingly from Sweden (u.s.) to estimated 1675 Tatarstan/Bashkortostan but have no apparent reason for this. And these two pictures are interesting:

https://imgur.com/a/h0efdGb

I would like to thank you for the welcome. Your work is very worthy of congratulations. Here we have a digital evangelization community where true ecumenism among Christians is a reality and not just a theory. I learned a lot by browsing the forum pages.

May the Most Holy Theotokos bestow many blessings upon you, and may the glorious Andrey Sheptytsky intercede for all of us.

It is a very interesting possibility, I believe that it would help in an autonomous and also mutual growth among the many communities of the Eastern churches. I believe that it would also help, if possible, to integrate the communities of the Orthodox churches into communion with Rome.

Please lift up in prayer Pope Francis, that the Lord will bless him and restore him to the health that He desires - and in the end salvation.