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Alex,

You never cease to amaze me with your stories and anecdotes. Have you ever thought about writing a book? You should rewrite the whole Encyclopedia of Ukraine!

All,

I feel I may be opening a can of worms on this one, so I apologize if this person is taboo, but, anyone know anything on Fr. Malachi Martin?

I heard something about him one night on this certain late late night radio talk show when I couldn't sleep.

-uc

Dear UC,

Yes, I think parts of the Encyclopedia of Ukraine SHOULD be rewritten!

Fr. Malachi was a former advisor to Pope John XXIII, I believe, and a Jesuit who left Rome because he disagreed with the way Vatican II was being interpreted by certain circles - at least so I understand.

His book on exorcism is a fascinating study on this subject, complete, as you know, with ten actual accounts, with reprinted dialogues, of exorcisms. If I heard something on the radio about Fr. Martin, I think I would have trouble sleeping too!

He also had a think or two to say about the Jesuits - but who doesn't?

And do you know some Eastern Catholics' definition of Basilians?

"Latinizers of the worst Order . . ."

As they say in Kyiv,

Ciao!

Alex

Hey...

About two weeks or so ago...I watched I think was about 2 hour documentary on excorcism on the History Channel...maybe it was 3 hours...it seemed very long...

It showed a lot about the Orthodox excorcism. It's very holy...wow. Powerful too.

And of course they show the Roman Catholic excorisms.

They also showed excorcisms of other faiths and traditions (including Hindu, Budda, other weird religions). But showed that the Catholic and Orthodox seems to be very effective...as well as certain Protestant circles...but mostly Catholic and Orthodox are just more effective because of tradition or etc.

It's very dangerous...yes. I have the excorcism prayer in my house...and I've used it once...it's just too dangerous. There was something lurking around my home...I also used Holy Water from the Greek Orthodox priest...

And also it's a coincidence..within a day or two from watching that program on History Channel...there was a talk about excorcism on EWTN...mostly about how Satanists attack the Eucharist taken from the Catholic and Orthodox churches...it's also mostly about demonic pocession...that the demons would compel the person to take the Eucharist and drop it off to a location for Satanists to use to curse against G-d.

Very interesting, indeed. Scary too!

It's funny how Satanists truly KNOW and believe the True presence of Christ in the Body and Blood of the Eucharist....in BOTH the Catholic and Orthodox Churches...but YET both Catholic and Orthodox take it very lightly...and many dismiss it as symbolic or just "a piece of bread and wine". Very intersting!

SPDundas
Deaf Byzantine

It's not funny it's sad. But I know what you mean.

The Satanists also use aborted babies in their rituals. One of King Louis XIVs mistresses was involved in these abominations. The head of the coven even had 50 Roman Catholic priests who would perform these abominations for her.

Lord have mercy!

Dear Dr. Eric,

I could say a few stories of my own, but the most interesting is what happened to a grand-aunt of mine.

This widowed aunt of mine, would hear rocks, if not boulders, being thrown on her roof at night. Yet, there was no damage whatsoever on the roof.

One day she begged my grandmother, who was fearless, to sleep with her so that she wouldn't be alone in the house. My grandaunt couldn't leave the house because another family was trying to claim it.

Well my grandmother did go and was frightened out of her wits. Not only were rocks being thrown on the roof, but there were whispers through the key hole saying 'I will take you'. Well that was it for my grandmother. She refused to stay another day.

What is interesting is that the noises stopped, and then started again during the Nazi occupation. An evil era!

Well, on reading about the Cure of Ars, Saint John Vianney, it seems he had the same encounters. Rocks thrown on his roof, and whispers in the key hole. I've never prayed to my grandaunt, but maybe I shoud. Who knows, she might be a saint.

Zenovia

Dear Zenovia,

I once read a book about one "Pere Lamy" who prayed the Rosary constantly i.e. always had the beads in his hands and prayed it throughout the day.

He had numerous visions - including visions of Christ where he actually "felt" the Wounds of Christ and related that "the nails pierced Him through His wrists and not through the palms of His Hands as depicted in our religious art!"

Once Pere Lamy was vesting for Mass in the sacristy when the devil appeared before him.

Pere Lamy was shocked that the devil should show himself in Church and began to heap abuse on him, "How dare you appear in God's Holy Place, you filthy etc."

At that point, an Angel appeared to tell Pere Lamy, "No, don't abuse him. If you want to hurt him and send him away, respect him - respect him for the Angelic family from which he has fallen. By doing so, you remind him what he once was and what he has now become . . . that will truly hurt him."

Alex

St. Martin of Tours was in a Church (it might have been the Cathedral) and he had a vision of "Our Lord." He immediately spat upon it. The demon appeared as it was and questioned St. Martin as to how he know that it was a demon. St. Martin told the demon that it didn't have the Holy Wounds on the hands feet and side, therefore he knew it was a demonic deception.

If I ever get a vision that I can talk to the first thing I'll do is to ask it to say the "Our Father," no demon could say the right words to the Lord's Prayer.

Dear Dr. Eric you said:

"If I ever get a vision that I can talk to the first thing I'll do is to ask it to say the "Our Father," no demon could say the right words to the Lord's Prayer."

I say:

So that's why the witches were asked to say the Lord's prayer before being burned at the stake.

Zenovia

I would think that a witch could falsely say the Lord's Prayer because she is a changeable human. A demon wouldn't be able to because it has already made up its mind in the past and can't change it. Therefore, it couldn't say the Our Father because it would never utter the words "Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy Name."

Dear Dr. Eric you said:

"The Satanists also use aborted babies in their rituals. One of King Louis XIVs mistresses was involved in these abominations. The head of the coven even had 50 Roman Catholic priests who would perform these abominations for her."

I say:

I recall that Rousseau was originally a Protestant and converted to the RCC. He was so shocked when hearing the priests talking about their mistresses etc., that he became Protestant once more. Because of this, it didn't shock me when I heard that one out of every two people guillotined during the terror were priests.

Also there is book with stories about Father Arseny, a Russian priest that sufferred in the Gulag for about 30 years. He is undoubtably a saint, and he said that the reason communism was able to take hold in Russia was because of the sins of the priests; for the people follow the priests.

Zenovia

That's a scary scenario. It makes me wonder what'll happen to America. This statement does not reflect on the holy priests and deacons I have read here on the Forum of course. Sincerely.

Dr Eric and Zenovia,

This thread is beginning to wander way off track. I believe the question has to deal with Exorcisms and the Church. It seems to be degenerating into "Ghost Stories".

Can we get back on track?

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
Moderator

Bless, Father Anthony!

Excuse me, but I think when one hears from one too many ghosts in one's home - that is precisely when sort sort of exorcism ought to be done!

My home has had THREE such rituals performed in the last two years.

Alex

I've read somewhere that the daemons are blocked from seeing our properly confessed sins.

I have told this tale before but will repeat it for the benefit of our newer members.
Fr Benedict Groeschel is one of the exorcists for the Archdiocese of New York.
When the younger friars learned that he was scheduled to perform an exorcism in a church they decided it would be interesting to witness. So they hid in the choir loft.
When Father began the ritual the organ began playing loudly, by itself, right behind them!
Needless to say, they didn't witness an exorcism that day but fled in terror.
[I heard the tale firsthand from one of the friars who was present, by the way.]

Hope this isn't too far off topic...
-Daniel