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Wak-Wak,
So you have two tattoos huh? I thought that was for the fellaheen (fara in Amharic)…j/k it is good and the rural folks are a role model. People have to learn to appreciate them and their example instead of trying to be “modern” and “better.” They have preserved the Church and its teachings while urbanites have done everything to alter fasts, alter Church structure and architecture and take teachings loosely. I seriously thought about getting the tattoo but needles scare me, but you and Edward inspired me so maybe….nahhhhh.
Did you get through your exams ok?
Egzi'o Marinet Kristos
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Originally posted by Aklie Semaet:
So you have two tattoos huh? I thought that was for the fellaheen (fara in Amharic)…j/k :$ Well, my family are not fellaheen (I wish we were), but I am a huge fan. When I travel by train in Egypt, if I have no company, I always ride third class with the fellaheen. it is good and the rural folks are a role model. People have to learn to appreciate them and their example instead of trying to be “modern” and “better.”
They have preserved the Church and its teachings while urbanites have done everything to alter fasts, alter Church structure and architecture and take teachings loosely. Amen! Indeed, the Fellaheen are core to our church, and in fact make up a huge percentage of the number of Copts in Egypt. What I love most about the Fellaheen is their incredible simplicity. Part of my service in Egypt is to go and pick up the younger fellaheen kids to bring to their church meetings and "nady" (club). One of my "favourites" was a young boy named Youssef. I remember asking him for his picture last year, and with a huge smile he was like, "Ya ostaz, I don't have a picture! I've never had my picture taken!" Then when I brought my camera he insisted on being in every picture. I also love how they'll talk to you for hours about the awesome saint stories, and get scared when you tell them a new one...then go tell it toeveryone else! *sigh* memories. Or when I told them I was going to Canada, and they thought it was a governorate north of where I am.  I seriously thought about getting the tattoo but needles scare me, but you and Edward inspired me so maybe….nahhhhh.  your call... to me sometimes it's an in-your-face remindmer to myself that i am wearing a cross on my heart that I have to work to uphold in my behaviour. but physical reminder only go so far, and that wasn't the reason i got them either. Did you get through your exams ok?[/QB] *sigh* About 60% of them were good, the other 40% was ... well...we'll see how finals go. I actually JUST finished midterms, and in only three weeks will begin writing my first final. So, keep prayin' for me y'all! One more term and i'm off again for home! Peace and grace. Agape, Fortunatus Amen, maranatha!
Peace and grace.
Agape,
Fortunatus
Amen, maranatha!
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: I like the company of Oriental Orthodox! I get called "schismatic" and "polemicist" by Byzantine Catholics and Orthodox - there's no pleasing them!  That sucks. I have also ran into some EO hostility from some, but much love from others. It's a shame. I mean, I can disagree with what you believe, even "correct" people ... but humbly and with love. It used to get to me, now it just saddens me. This reminds me of the traditional white outfit of our modern chefs.
Apparently, it is a remake of the garb of Eastern Orthodox monks. After the Fall of Constantinople, a number of aristocrats escaped to Orthodox monasteries, including Mt. Athos.
They were allowed to remain on condition that they "did something" with their lives.
Many opted to be cooks and it was decreed that they were to wear the monastic garb - but in white. LOL i did NOT know that! Clearly they changed the headgear! Owoh enthok petenoo-orp nak e-epshoi empio-oo nem pitaio nem ti eprockineesees: EFioot nem EpShiri nem PiEpnevma Ethowab. Tinoo nem ensioo niven nem sha eneh ente nieneh tiroo: Amen.
Thou art He unto whom we ascribe glory and honour and worship, O Father and Son and Holy Spirit, now and at all times and unto the age of all ages Amen.
Peace and grace. Agape, Fortunatus AMen, maranatha!
Peace and grace.
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Amen, maranatha!
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Dear Fortunatus,
You took the words right out of my mouth!
Selam!
Alex
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Dear Fortunatus, CIX! Thank you for your reply! I'm a lover of Coptic things - I did a year of Coptic myself. Would you be so kind as to describe a Coptic Cross? I've seen some variation in the size of the inner-forearm cross, from tiny ones to rather large ones. By the way, going entirely off topic, I've learned that a common curse in Cairo is "a kebab on you" and the response is "and two on you" - would you be able to tell me how to say them in Arabic? Many thanks and asking your prayers, I remain, Yours in Domino, Edward
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Originally posted by Edward Yong: Dear Fortunatus,
CIX!
Thank you for your reply! I'm a lover of Coptic things - I did a year of Coptic myself. Would you be so kind as to describe a Coptic Cross? I've seen some variation in the size of the inner-forearm cross, from tiny ones to rather large ones.
By the way, going entirely off topic, I've learned that a common curse in Cairo is "a kebab on you" and the response is "and two on you" - would you be able to tell me how to say them in Arabic?
Many thanks and asking your prayers, I remain,
Yours in Domino,
EdwardDear Edward, I'm glad you studied Coptic! Where did you study? Or did you do the CD first year SEminary course? The Copts have three crosses they usually use: Two of these can be seen here: http://www.stmark.toronto.on.coptorthodox.ca/ The inner cross in the top banner (the red one) is used often (that's the one I have tattooed). NOte that the budded cross has equal bars - that God's coming to earth is as important in our salvation of us going from left to right (bad to good). The second is the outer yellow cross (they don't always have the bars sticking out). The third is two (equal bars), but with a smaller bar slightly below each end of the cross (both vertical and horizontal)...is that confusing? Most people go for small...though some go ALL OUT and have huge ones - though these are usually on the elderly. You'll also find some people with dates tattooed under them, from visits to Jerusalem. As for this new curse...lol I don't remember hearingthat at all while in Egypt a couple of months ago, but a literal translation of what you said would be "Kebab 'aleik" and the response would be "wa kebabtein 'aleik!"... I should be calling Egypt sometime this week and I'll be sure to ask about this new curse and when it is used. Peace and grace. Agape, Fortunatus Amen, maranatha!
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Dear Fortunatus,
Nofri!
I did a year of coptic at University College London during my undergraduate days at King's College London.
I read that in the days of the Plague, the Arab physicians thought the red-black swellings looked like meatballs/kebabs, so they actually named the swellings 'kebab"... and hence the curse (still current in Cairo I'm told) "A kebab on you".
Khen PiKhristos,
Edward
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Originally posted by Edward Yong:
Dear Fortunatus,
Nofri!
I did a year of coptic at University College London during my undergraduate days at King's College London.
I read that in the days of the Plague, the Arab physicians thought the red-black swellings looked like meatballs/kebabs, so they actually named the swellings 'kebab"... and hence the curse (still current in Cairo I'm told) "A kebab on you".
Khen PiKhristos,
Edward Nan-ne roohi! I am impressed! You are the first non-Copt i've encountered to take the time to learn Coptic! Kudos! EpChois nemak in all that you do! Were you taking Sahidic or Bohairic? lol, I'm not a Caironian, perhaps that why. I'm from rural, hardcore, upper Egypt! Ogai khen EpChois! Peace and grace. Agape, Fortunatus Amen, maranatha!
Peace and grace.
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Peace and grace.
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Amen, maranatha!
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Dear Friends,
Interestingly enough, I've seen Crosses from the Lemko, Hutsul and other Carpathian areas that resemble greatly Coptic and Ethiopian Crosses.
Alex
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Hey all,
Just a sidebar to the original post.
Did you know that the Croatian Catholics of Bosnia, as well as some Albanians, used to commonly be adorned with tattoos? They can be quite elaborate; usually worn on the hand. The designs incorporated crosses with some sun and moon imagery. Amongst the Bosanci, it was seen as a mark of one's Catholicism, as neither the Muslims or the Orthodox had this tradition. It's a custom that is dying out, but still can be found among older rural Bosnian Croatians.
Not much has been written about this topic. However, (and you'll most likely need to get this from i.l.l.)there is a book "Some Tribal Origins, Laws and Customs of the Balkans" by a guy named M. E. Durham that talks about it and gives illustrations...That is, if you want to check it out!
Cao i Zbogom
-Dylan
Harried art and archaeology grad student.
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