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had a priest that used to wear hole-y black socks with worn-out sandals... WITH his vestments I remember serving for Archbishop john Maximovich in Monterey and he not only wore SANDALS but had NO SOCKS! Father Gregory told me that Vladyka John used to walk around in Europe in the snow with sandals and no socks.
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I was given to understand that the use of blue for feasts of the Mother of God was actually a bit of a latinization that's become totally entrenched. I don't have a problem with it, I just get rather a chuckle oout of the icons of the Theotokos, dressed in red, gazing benevolently down on all the folks in blue celebrating her feasts.
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Sharon,
Given that Blue is only used by indult for Marian Feasts in Spain and Latin America in the Latin Church, I don't really see it as a latininzation. As well the Mother of God's mantle is often blue, at least it is in my parish and in the icon of Our Lady of Perpetual Help.
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I don't know about a latinization, but blue is definitely a latecomer in the color scheme. White was probably worn previously for feasts of the Theotokos since that was a symbolic color of purity.
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Yes, Sharon, Fr Deacon Lance is correct, so blue is not so much a latinization as it is a "hispanicization". 
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Dear All, It's a little ironic that many of you have mentioned the use of blue as a vestment color as being a "Latinization". In many quarters of the Roman church it is a bit controversial. For example the new guidelines for celebrating the Mass fail to list it as a liturgical color and instead state that white is the proper color for feasts of Our Lady. This would not rule out its use in decoration of a white vestment. "GIRM 346. As to the color of sacred vestments, the traditional usage is to be retained: namely, 1. White is used in the Offices and Masses during the Easter and Christmas seasons; also on celebrations of the Lord other than of his Passion, of the Blessed Virgin Mary..." Also, I seem to recall a lot of blue being used for Advent. The reasoning was that Advent was a time for hope, not penance like Lent. Actually in seminary we were instructed to use violet for both Advent and Lent - but that the shade varied to distinguish the season: red-violet for Lent to remind one of the Passion of Christ [red being the color of blood] and blue-violet for Advent. I remember one year when a few of us made a whole set of antependiums, altar cloths, and banners for Lent only to be told by the director of liturgy they had to be taken down because they were too "bluish" and that violet does not equal purple! :rolleyes: I wonder what happens if your priests are color-blind?   PAX
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Here are instructions for clergy of the UOC-KP, first the original, followed by my translation. I take credit for all typos and other errors.  Andrij КОЛІР РИЗ. Церковні правила вимагають, щоб ризи були чисті, не подерті, з матеріалу доброї якости (парча, оксамит, шовк, полотно і інш.), темних кольорів на час постів і світлих на час свят. Де є можливо, то ризи бувають на Великдень срібно-білі, а на свята Господні й на неділі - золотого, жовтого або рожевого кольору з візерунками хрестів, винограду чи виноградного листя; в Богородичні свята - сині або білі; в свята святих Сил Небесних - білі; в дні святителів - блакитні; в дні преподобних, на Квітну неділю й на Зелені Свята - зелені, а в свята мучеників і в недільні дні Великого посту - червоні або темно-фіалкові; чорні ризи - на час відправ Великого посту, крім днів суботних і недільних, і на Страсний тиждень, крім Великого четверга і Великої суботи на літургіях. Коли священик одягає чорні ризи, то диякон також - чорний орар або темно-фіалковий.
СЛУЖЕБНИК, Українська Православна Церква Київського Патріархату, Київ 1999 (Навчальні відомості, ст. 471-2)
COLOUR OF VESTMENTS. Church regulations direct that vestments be clean, untorn, and of good quality material (brocade, velvet, silk, linen etc.), dark colours during fasts and light/bright for feasts. Where possible, vestments for Easter should be of a silver-white colour, and on feasts of the Lord and Sundays - gold, yellow or rose with crosses, grapes, or grape leaf patterns; on feasts of the Theotokos - blue or white; on feasts of the holy Heavenly Powers - white; on days of sainted hierarchs - sky-blue; on days of sainted monastics, Palm Sunday and Pentecost - green; on feasts of martyrs and Sundays of the Great Fast - red or dark violet; black vestments - services during the Great Fast except for those on Saturdays and Sundays, and during Holy Week, except for the liturgies on Great Thursday and Holy Saturday. When a priest dons black vestments, a deacon does likewise - black or dark violet orarion.
SERVICE BOOK, Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kyivan Patriarchate, Kyiv 1999 (Educational information, pp. 471-2)
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THANK YOU for posting such a detailed explanation!
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Glad for a chance to contribute something other than more questions to discussions here.
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I think the Blessed Virgin Mary is portrayed garbed in Red to signify Her Virginity, as was the custom in those days, and Her outer garment or mantle is Blue (usually dark Blue) to signify that She is (also) a Mother.
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Dear Amado,
That is very interesting. Do you have any other color associations? I'd be interested to hear them, as I might like to use some color symbolism in rosaries and chotkis...
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Glory to Jesus Christ!
If blue is a Latinization, it would be of the most terrible kind. According to the rubrics of the Latin Church, at least before the Second Vatican Council, the liturgical color blue can only be used in Spain and countries that were part of the Spanish Empire, only on the feast of the Immaculate Conception, or feasts of the various "Inmaculadas" (images of the Virgin that represent the mystery of the Immaculate Conception, the most famous of which is the Virgin of Guadalupe). So if the particular image of the Virgin you are celebrating has a moon under Her feet and a crown of twelve stars (or just a crown), you can wear blue vestments. Otherwise, no dice. The feast of the Assumption is white, along with the Annunciation, etc. (This is how it was done when I was in seminary in Argentina, whose patron is the Virgin of Lujan, who is an "Inmaculada"). So if the Orthodox got this color from the West, it must of been when they visited Spain or Spanish-controlled Italy. But it could be they just developed this practice themselves, since blue is a pretty color.
(In the life of the Cure d'Ars, it is told that he wanted to make a blue vestment for the feast of the Virgin, so he had one made. When shown to the bishop, (this was in France of course, where wearing blue vestments was not allowed), he did not pay attention to the color but rather to the fact that there was so much gold thread in the vestment. "What a beautiful GOLD vestment!" he exclaimed.)
For everything, there is oekonomia.
Ave Maria purisima!
Sin pecado concebida!
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Originally posted by lpreima:
What about footwear? Are there any norms about that? Are footwear always to be black with black socks? Or are white socks also permitted? Can a priest wear combat boots for example or maybe black sneakers? What about flip-flops? Would it be correct for a priest to celebrate the Liturgy wearing goloshes? Just curious, but are there any norms for this? Lauro Black dress shoes and black socks are--or should be!--the rule in most places. Anything else should be banned unless you are fighting in a war or among people who are about to die or something. Running shoes in particular should result in one being hanged, drawn, and quartered on the spot. However, I do not have a problem with sandals (NO socks!), but some people do. My priest yelled at me for serving in sandals, not because of a problem with them per se but because he did not want to give the babas in the parish something else to gripe about! Adam, subdeacon and sinner
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