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Dear Friends, Here is an article about the way Greek Orthodox Patriarchs used Indulgences, something which even St Nicodemos of Mt Athos participated in!! http://www.pravoslavie.ru/enarticles/041125153738 Alex
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Dear Andrew,
Just thought you'd might like to know . . .
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What, who, me personally??? Just kidding.
Yeah, I've seen this before. Interesting time the Latin captivity as they call it. Many strange contrasting currents.
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I used to have a photocopy of an indulgence - in Church-Slavonic, no less - issued by the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem.
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Well indulgences in the Greek Church doesn't sound strange to me after all it's my jurisdiction and I know it quite well. That indulgences would be mentioned outright though on paper; now that is a different story and very Western. No Byzantine secrecy and double talk there.
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I have to wonder what the point of the article is. It has no thesis or bottom line, and seems to be an unorganized rant against the Greek Church for giving into the evil Latins. Some of the other articles in this month's edition are interesting: 1. http://www.pravoslavie.ru/enarticles/050126154646 Which basically says that Russian Human Rights groups who receive western fundings are tools of the Evil West. 2. http://www.pravoslavie.ru/enarticles/041126143655 Entitled "HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH AS A POLITICAL INSTRUMENT OF LIBERAL COSMOPOLITAN ELITE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" 3. http://www.pravoslavie.ru/enarticles/050124153326 Which discusses the Kurile islands.  4. http://www.pravoslavie.ru/enarticles/040209190208 which concludes "[The?] Liberal and pro-Western policy of Russia today means refusal from the traditional Russian ideology and Orthodox statehood and deviation towards neo-paganism. Harmfulness of this policy becomes more and more evident." Sorry, these guys are too Slavophilic for me. 
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Back to indulgences - my current favorite indulgence is home-made chocolate ice cream with chopped hazelnuts mixed in - it's awful expensive but it tastes awful good!
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Originally posted by incognitus:
Back to indulgences - my current favorite indulgence is home-made chocolate ice cream with chopped hazelnuts mixed in - it's awful expensive but it tastes awful good!
Incognitus OOOOOOOOOOH - send some over here please Dental work starts today and will finish with the main onslaught in 10 days time Ice cream I could cope with :p
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Dear Incognitus, But you forgot to mention how many days are associated with that indulgence - or is it years?  And also, how much does it cost? Alex
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: Dear Incognitus,
But you forgot to mention how many days are associated with that indulgence - or is it years?
And also, how much does it cost?
Alex Alex- I think "pounds" are associated with that indulgence. 
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The cost of making the ice cream is variable. But if you're going to go to the trouble in the first place, please use the very best dark chocolate that money can buy!
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From the article One of the manifestations of such a metamorphosis was the introduction of the sale of Christian indulgences into the practice of the Greek Church.[1]. These were real indulgences: certificates which absolved from sins, which anyone could obtain, often for a specified sum of money. What an interesting concept. I'm glad it never caught on in the West. Absolution is free in the Latin Church
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Originally posted by Scotus: From the article
What an interesting concept. I'm glad it never caught on in the West.
Absolution is free in the Latin Church I must doubt the authenticity of this claim about any Church, given the simple misrepresentation that goes on about the Catholic Church in Europe in the Middle Ages. Indulgences, as well as absolution and all of the Sacraments, can never be sold and ought not be sold. 
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I wonder what happened to this practice of Orthodox indulgences. What made it so popular in the past and unheard of today? (The article mentions 1955 as the last
Now, how does this all this compare with Roman indulgences, either the "on paper" kind of the past or the more spiritual kind of today (associated with prayers, pilgrimages, etc)? I was always under the impression that indulgences were bound up with the belief in purgatory, and that indulgences weren't for the absolution of sins per se (as this article maintains the Greeks were doing), but rather to remove the punishment/purgatorial time associated with sins (hence the "plenary indulgences" that are still granted, although not on paper). Yes, no?
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