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Thanks Alice your right! Liberal Protestant Churches are in crisis. The Latin Catholic Church increased by 350,000 in the United States alone. Some other diocese are on the decline yes, but more so because of decline in population as people are on the move. If you note the Northeast is loosing population to warmer and more stable economic areas of the US. I was referring to our Churches here in California. It was estimated that last year there were over 80 Protestant ministers who were received into communion with the Latin Church. Stephanos I
PS Texas has seen a rapid increase in population, but also in Catholic conversions, in the late 90's I was in a diocese there, the first year there were 4,000 converst, 2000 the following year, and 3,000 the year after that. Here in my own diocese we have been running 1000 to 2000 a year.
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Originally posted by alice: Dear OrthoMan/Bob,
If you reread Fr. Stephanos' post, I think that you will realize that you misread it, and thus, did not answer very charitably to him.
He commented that in the U.S., the CHRISTIAN churches of the Catholic and Orthodox faith are doing just fine!
How will Christianity ever flourish if we always have a chip on the shoulder attitude towards the dreaded 'other', whether that 'other' is 'Orthdoox' or 'Catholic'????
Can't we all just follow Christ's commandment to love one another as HE loves US, sins and all???
*SIGH*
In Christ, Alice I don't understand this either, especially among the apostolic churches such as Latin Catholic and the Orthodox of many national varieties. In the past, our biggest problem was prideful, turf-conscious heirarchs defending their little fiefdoms. In some ways that's gotten better. But has it ever occurred to anyone that we have a common enemy, secularism, that we need to unite and fight?
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Dear Father Stephanos, It is always good news worthy of rejoicing when our Protestant brethren join the historic Apostolic Churches of the East and/or West. When these conversions occur, traditional, conservative Christianity triumphs--no one else. As for: Some other diocese are on the decline yes, but more so because of decline in population as people are on the move. If you note the Northeast is loosing population to warmer and more stable economic areas of the US. This is very true. Many people from my state and the surrounding states are moving, or have moved to Florida either permanently, or if they are fortunate enough, part-time, for the warm winter weather. I can't imagine why??? hehehehe! In Christ, Alice ************************************************** Dear Charles, Your statement about the common enemy of secularism is right on target! We all must 'wake up and smell the coffee'...(which I am going to go pour myself a cup of right now!) In Christ, Alice
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Alice as a former fellow New Yorker I can understand why! Stephanos I
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Originally posted by alice: This is very true. Many people from my state and the surrounding states are moving, or have moved to Florida either permanently, or if they are fortunate enough, part-time, for the warm winter weather. I can't imagine why??? hehehehe!
In Christ, Alice ************************************************** Dear Charles,
Your statement about the common enemy of secularism is right on target!
We all must 'wake up and smell the coffee'...(which I am going to go pour myself a cup of right now!)
In Christ, Alice I think the recent hurricane season has caused some to repent of moving to warmer climates. BTW, that coffee sounds really good. I think I will go have some, too. Charles
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Originally posted by Irish Melkite: There was an official page for his cause, but I wasn't able to find the link just now.
Deacon John, The official site for promotion of Father Walter Ciszek's Cause Father Walter Ciszek Prayer League [ cecs.uofs.edu] Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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This is the Mission Statement for the Coming Home Network:
During the past few years particularly, there have been hundreds of pastors and laymen of every conceivable religious tradition showing intense interest in the truths of the Catholic Faith and entering with great joy into the Catholic Church. Even though their conversions may have required great sacrifice, including the loss of friends, family and vocation, they yet believe with all of their hearts that they have truly "come home." The purpose of The Coming Home Network International (CHNetwork) is to provide fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church. The CHNetwork is committed to assisting and standing beside all inquirers, serving as a friend and an advocate.
It seems to me that Marcus Grodi stated that there were hundreds of ministers that they had assisted on making the assimilation into the Catholic Church. So it is exciting to hear that number on the West Coast alone.
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Although it is sometimes neglected, there seems to be, also, a significant number of reversions: Catholics who left or who just plain forgot or neglected to enter into the sacramental life of the Church.
I hope this additional "inflow" is a reversal of the post-Vatican 2 "outflow" here in the U.S.
But with more than a million Catholic baptisms in the U.S., hopefully we already have a "fertile" ground for "correct" formation.
Amado
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