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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
I think we should all just join the OCA!
Alex But I don't drive an Oldsmobile OCA Home Page [ oldsclub.org] :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Scotus: Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
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I think we should all just join the OCA!
Alex
OCA Home Page [oldsclub.org] [/b] Σώσον, Κύριε, καί διαφύλαξον η�άς από τών Βασιλιάνικων τάξεων!
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To Alex -
With all due respect and because I'm new to this forum, are you orthodox (small 'o') or an Orthodox? Please forgive the intrusion, but I guess I don't understand this type of duality.
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Now, here is what I have heard many times growing up.
The Latin Church laid the law on celibacy in the late 1100s - early 1200's. The year 1180 comes to mind.
There are men who are becoming celibate priests as we speak of right now in the Eastern Churces, I have seen it.
There are men who are becoming married priests.
Having two options is awesome. Let a man follow his calling.
I'm not telling the Latins what to do. I have firmly believed in abolishing the celibate priesthood for as long as I can remember, even as a Latin I belived this.
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
Dear Pani Rose,
My own feeling on this is something that I really need to get out into the open!
The Latin Church ordains more deacons, lay servers and extra-whatever that serve at Communion services where there are no priests available.
It seems to me to be doing everything BUT what I believe it knows it should be doing - ordaining married priests AND receiving back the many, many RC priests who have left to get married, but who would be more than willing to return to serve the Church.
I know a number of the latter and the only strike against them is that they refused to live a lie and therefore got married, even though this meant they would be barred from exercising their priesthood except in emergency situations.
I do not think the Latin Church should jump at changing this tradition. It is a tradition that is over 1000 years old. How can we tell them to change their tradition yet get upset when they changed ours on us in the 1930's? Seems a bit hypocritical to me. Not to mention that the ordination of married men to the priesthood will not fix the "vocations crisis". To those who say that they could move the deacons they have to the priesthood I say that you are mistaken becuase the diaconate is something totally different vocationally speaking. Those called to the diaconate are not just doing so to wait for the day they can be priests, and if they are then I question if they should have been ordained in the first place. As for allowing the return of priests who left and married. I do not think that they should be allowed to return. What about those who have stayed faithful to their vows? I disagree with the idea that " the only strike against them is that they refused to live a lie", the only strike against them is that they refused to live up to their vow/promise. As for what can be done to increase vocations, as one who is going though the process, they could make it a bit easier on the candidate. That is not lessen the steps in the application process, but to understand that we are adults and that we have other commitments that must be met and that we can not just drop everything at a moments notice to appear for an interview or other such things. Oh, by the way Alex, I am back! David, the Byzantine Catholic Matthew 6:33 But seek frist his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well.
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Hi, (You may want to know that our Memo Rodriguez here at byzcath just began his diaconate studies!  ) It would be more accurate to say that I have started the admission process. I have not been admitted yet. And yes, it is Thanks! Shalom, Memo
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Dear Lida, Actually, when it comes to Rome and Moscow, I want our Church to be "Ukrainian" in the best sense of that tradition. And, nowadays, our Ukrainian Catholic and Orthodox people have few friends on either side. When push comes to shove, I am with our people. (And, may I ask, why are you so "pro-Rome" when Rome is so "pro-Moscow?") And if they want to go to the OCA . . . look I was kidding. I got so many e-mails from people yesterday! And the OCA is not "Orthodox Church, Almost!"  Alex
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Dear David,
Welcome back, my friend! I've missed you terribly and have prayed for you!
You have always kept me on the straight and narrow!
Alex
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Dobri Den, Alex! To answer your question - you will learn that I vehemently oppose false ecumenism. Documents that come out of such acts, like the Balamand Statement, are disgusting and 'those'in Rome who allow these things to occur, will have to answer to God. It is apostasy to it's fullest extent.
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Dear Lida,
Well, I too believe that Rome has much to answer for . . .
Even before Balamand ever happened . . .
Alex
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