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So, an innocent cultural misunderstanding once again proves good for a few laughs. In the US, "to give the finger " to someone means to make an obscene gesture with the middle finger, often accompanied by the equivalent of "f*** you".I had no idea this wasn't the universal meaning of the term in English. This forum is SO educational!
OK - I'll thoroughly embarrass myself and give you the Brit vesrion - just as obscene it has to b e admitted, "swivel on it" shocked shocked

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Dear Daniel,

I'm so happy to be one of the sources of enlightenment for you on this forum . . .

You remind me, with the permission of the Administrator, of the anthropological study we did of the "f" word in university . . .

Apparently, some behavioural genius came up with the notion that the word is descended from "fox" related to the domesticated animal that we know as dogs.

And since what is close to humans, such as domesticated animals, becomes the inevitable substance for nasty swear words, thus . . .

There are other explanations, as my sociological colleagues invariably tell me . . .

But the one that most readily comes to mind has to do with medieval battles between the English and the French.

The English, as the Scots found out, were great marksmen with long-bows. The English Yew produced a very strong and pliable wood that made the best long-bows ever - just ask Robin Hood.

And one always drew one's bow-string with the middle finger.

The practice of pulling the bow-string back before "loosing" it on the enemy was called "pluck Yew."

And to do so successfully in battle was brought about only by means of a strong middle finger.

I think I'll stop the story there . . .

It gets better . . . smile

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Personally I will defend the use of good Germanic English terms any day. Why does using a Latinate term make it acceptable? I asked one person just what it was that made a Germanic term unacceptable and he answered "because it is vulgar". "Yes," I responded"and that is a Latinate term;from 'vulgate',meaning 'of the people'. Elitism rears its ugly head." I was making the same argument at work when I argued that the "f word " should only be used to describe "f-ing" and they- normally a profane crowd- giggled like sixth graders. One of them said "yes but would you say to your wife after a romantic dinner 'I want to "f" you?" I said "sometimes" and I swear he blushed.
I'd better quit before I get in more trouble. Aren't we a bit off-topic?
ps: my thanks to my friend Tom Storck for the arguments in defense of good old English vulgarities...

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Is all of this true or is it just a lot of Bushwah? If it's true, than I would like further information on this issue which could be forwarded to me privately through my e-mail.
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This discussion of various maledicta has nothing to do with the Russian Church Abroad, and they are unlikely to appreciate it! Incognitus

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Thanks for your opinions, Don and Alex. I don't wish to discuss the SSPX on this forum because what I'd say would be (mis?)construed as unCatholic. Anyway, an Eastern Catholic Forum just isn't the place! Either/both of y'all can PM me privately if you want to discuss it further.

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Originally posted by Tammy:

I bet the pope would LIKE to give the (NOT index) finger to the SSPX!
The priest the pope gave the (index) finger to wasn't a member of the SSPX, he was more a Liberation theology type and a member of Nicaragua's marxist government.

BTW, are Catholic priests allowed to be active in politics?

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Dear Christian,

No.

God bless and have a great day!

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Dear Incognitus,

But who knows about maledicta better than hierarchs? smile

And didn't the ROCOR people begin their meeting with the MP by asking for forgiveness for "harsh words" written to the Patriarch in earlier times?

I've been to our eparchial conferences with our bishop and priests (I've given little presentations at them and have stayed afterwards for lunch).

At one such conference, one priest called another a nasty name and that priest thought the bishop had called him that.

The priest chased after the bishop who went to the cloak-room for a minute and asked him why he had called him that name.

The bishop smiled at me and then turned to the priest and said, "I didn't call you anything - be honest, will you?" (Actually, in the Ukrainian, it sounded a bit worse than in English).

Things generally degenerated after that . . .

So discussions about fingers and other maledicta, symbolic or verbal, is entirely consistent with the general direction of this thread, or so I would surmise.

Haven't you been to an eparchial conference? smile

You haven't really lived as an Eastern Catholic until you have! smile

Alex

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