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I seriously doubt that. Only card carrying Nazis qualify as being to the right of Buchanan and Buba. I know you are a Christian and don't fall in that category

Let's thicken the plot a wee bit:

1-May-2002 -- EWTNews Brief

RUSSIAN PAPER SEES PUTIN GAMBIT IN BISHOP'S
EXPLUSION

MOSCOW, (CWNews.com) -- A leading Russian
newspaper has advanced the theory that President Vladimir Putin ordered the expulsion of a Catholic bishop in a roundabout effort to advance the prospects of a visit to Russia by Pope John Paul II.

The newspaper, Nezavisimaya Gazeta, suggested that the Russian president decided to revoke the visa of Bishop Jerzy Mazur because he was confident the Russian Orthodox Church would be blamed for the move. He reasoned that Orthodox Patriarch Alexei II would then be under pressure to make some concession to the Vatican, to smooth over the situation.

The Orthodox prelate has, to date, rejected proposals for a papal visit to Moscow. President Putin, on the other hand, has indicated that he would be pleased by a papal visit. But the Vatican has said that the Holy Father will not visit Russian against the wishes of the Moscow Patriarch.

The conspiratorial theory advanced by Nezavisimaya Gazeta has been proven accurate in at least one respect. Despite the public denials set forth by the Moscow Patriarchate, most observers do believe that the expulsion of Bishop Mazur was due to pressure from the Orthodox Church.

In a related development, 55,000 Russians have signed a message to the Vatican, protesting the establishment of four Catholic dioceses in the country. The statement was circulated at conferences held on Sunday, April 28, in 20 Russian provinces, under the auspices of the Russian People's Party and the Union of Orthodox Citizens.

Gennadiy Raykov, a member of the Russian parliament, told the media that the signatories see the new dioceses as the Catholic Church's "spiritual expansion, which may turn out to be irreversible."

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ZENIT - The World Seen From Rome

Date: 2002-04-29

Anti-Catholic Protests in Russia Fail to Draw Big Crowds

Few Join Demonstrations in Moscow and St. Petersburg

MOSCOW, APRIL 29, 2002 (Zenit.org).- Protests organized Sunday in Russia against the Catholic Church attracted relatively few participants, ZENIT and other news agencies found.

The most important meeting, an initiative of the People�s Deputies Party and Union of Orthodox Citizens, was to take place in Moscow, where only several hundred gathered to protest the "Catholic expansion."

The demonstration was held in front of the monument to Sts. Cyril and Methodius. Carrying icons and postcards, the protesters criticized the "Vatican�s intrusion in Orthodox lands." One of the posters warned against the arrival of "pederasts."

The organizers of the event published a statement in which they criticized the Holy See�s decision to create four dioceses in Russia.

When announcing John Paul II�s decision to create the dioceses, the Vatican published a statement in which it recognized the right of Catholics in Russia to count on the pastoral service of their pastors, and the duty of every Christian to proclaim the Gospel. The statement denied that the decision was an attempt to proselytize against the Orthodox Church.

At John Paul II�s request, institutions of the Catholic Church have been contributing to the maintenance of priests of the Russian Orthodox Church. Yet recently, Catholic Bishop Jerzy Mazur of the Diocese of St. Joseph in Irkutsk, and an Italian priest, Father Stefano Caprio, were expelled from Russia without any explanations by the authorities.

Protests on Sunday were organized in some 20 Russian cities. An Agence France-Presse correspondent counted about 50 protesters in St. Petersburg, who called for the reinforcement of traditional religions in Russia, which they identified as Orthodoxy, Islam, Buddhism and Judaism.

Signatures were also collected throughout Russia, in protest against the Catholic presence. The signatures will be sent to the Vatican�s apostolic nuncio in Moscow.

In statements to Interfax agency, Guennadi Raikov, one of the organizers and leader of the People�s Deputies Party, acknowledged today that out of a total Russian population of 144 million, 70% of whom are Orthodox, only 50,000 protest signatures were collected against the Catholic Church.

[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: Amado Guerrero ]

And this:

ZENIT - The World Seen From Rome

Date: 2002-04-26

Russian Intellectuals Protest "Soviet Era"-Type Expulsions of Clerics


MOSCOW, APRIL 26, 2002 (Zenit.org).- A group of Russian intellectuals and writers published a letter of protest over the expulsion of Catholic Bishop Jerzy Mazur of Irkutsk, and Italian priest Stefano Caprio.

In the open letter published Thursday in the newspaper Nezavisimaia Gazeta, the signatories criticize the lack of credible reasons for the measures, which they describe as "worthy of the Soviet era."

The letter is signed, among others, by Boris Vasiliev, one of the most renowned Russian writers, by poetess Rimma Kazakova, and by Serghiei Filatov, president of the Council of Russian Intellectuals and former assistant of Boris Yeltsin.

The measures taken against the two Catholic clergymen have sparked protests in the Russian media, among political observers, and in the government, as well as in the Catholic bishops� conference and the Holy See, Vatican Radio reported.

Cho! Aklie!


"Buba" is "Bubba" and he ain't from Louisiana, he's from Texas (Shreveport, for instance), Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi, or any other number of Northern states. If you're talking about Louisiana, you mean Boudreaux. The things we have to put up with.

I've also met quite a few bubbas a lot friendlier than you yankees, and just because they've had some hard times doesn't make them equivalent to Nazis. You'll bend over backwards to qualify your statements about Russians and then insult your own living down South.

Sometimes I like to log in to read some couillon up the bayou talking bad about Bubba or Boudreaux. I've been up there and you don't have joie de vivre, which is why I stay down here.

In fact, why don't all you anti-Southern folks make a trip. You could meet a real live Bubba, redneck, good ol' boy, Boudreaux, etc. and learn the difference. If you're smatte, mabee you can go to the Big Easy and learn some Yat. I prefer to visit the bayou and go to a fais do do and ecouter some chank a chank.

Au revoir mes amis.

By the way, don't come down here and ask to eat pirogie. You may end up getting a canoe on your plate.

If you're looking for Nazi's, I heard of a rally the last time I was up in Michigan.

I forgot to add that perhaps the ill temper expressed on this board is because you've all been eating that tasteless cardboard you call food.

Come down to Houston to my house for a crawfish or shrimp boil (the mud bugs haven't been good for the last few seasons, so it would probably be shrimp) or some etouffee. Give up that Yankee Chank and come down for the real thing.

With regard to Amado's post above which says the whole expulsion affair was a Putin Gambit...

I have consistently read for the past 5,8,10 years that the pope wishes to visit Russia but will not do so without an invitation from the ROC. There have been negotiations, political manuevering, press releses, ect, ect.

He seems like that person we all know who keeps trying to invite himself over to your house.

Cizinec,

Mellow out, I was not trying to bash the South. I will not deny that the South is better than the North culturally speaking. But please realize that I am not a northerner, I am a WEST SIEEYDER! I was making fun of Bubba (excuse Buba) well…because he's Bubba. I know that the South is the only place in America to find a decent American woman

When I travel abroad and am reminded how the Americans have no culture and hospitality principles I am happy to remind them not to confuse the whole country with New York and if they traveled South they should be in for a surprise. You are also correct about the food. About 70% of Californians sadly subsist on fast food. But do not get too arrogant; remember you trail behind us by eons when it comes to wine

May God Be With You

Aklie Semaet