Hello,
But how does Rome view the SSPX - are they "without grace" etc.? If one may attend Mass at an SSPX church, then what does this imply overall?
The SSPX is a schismatic sect that has retained, so far, valid (but, of course, illicit) sacraments. Mere attendance to an SSPX Mass is not an offense punishable by law. Reception of the sacraments from an SSPX minister is regulated by the same canons that regulate reception from any other church with valid sacraments.
But we are not talking about either. We are talking about a priest who celebrated Mass for them and with them in express disobedience to his bishop.
What would an Orthodox bishop think of a priest who celebrated the Liturgy for a Greek Catholic community in a Greek Catholic parish?
I know a Tridentine priest who is a member of the Society of St Peter - he tells me they are on good terms with the SSPX and work to bring them into communion with Rome. At the same time, he and others of these traditional RC societies really DO want Rome to return to the Tridentine liturgy - no doubt about that.
What they fail to see is that the Church will not "go back". The Church will go forward and integrate these legitimate expressions of the Latin Tradition into the life of the Church. But we will move FORWARD.
If we went back, we would not be worthy of being disciples of Christ.
But the liberals who deny various doctrines of Christianity surely do MUCH worse than conservatives who are punished for wanting what the Tridentine Rite allows them to experience in worship.
Of course. Liberal heterodox are to be punished just as severely as Conservative heterodox. That is the way it has been for almost 2000 years. It should be the way it is now.
If this has faild to be on one side, it doesn't mean it has to fail on the other side. It is better to commit one mistake than two.
Historically, obedience to the hierarchy is NOT the ultimate guiding principle to a Christian - faithfulness to Christ and Church teaching is.
Yes, and the Church teaches that to celebrate the Mass using any rite other than the currently approved one, you need permission from your bishop.
If you disobey, you are not only going against your bishop's authority, but also against the teachings of the Church, and therefore, against Christ.
What the priest we are considering here did was wrong.
But I get a sense that you are affirming obedience to the hierarchy as the ultimate value.
Not at all. However obedience to the hierarchy is a value. To disregard it, it has to be for a greater value.
When the hierarchy execises its power rightfully, obedience to the hierarchy is indeed, and expression of our loving obedience to Christ. This, I'm not sure if I would call "the ultimate value", but if not, it is pretty darn close.
I do not know if what the priest did was wrong. I believe it is, but I am not to judge my brother. I know that it is against the law, and the punishment applied is just, according to the law.
In addition, why is Rome failing to see the positive spiritual results that her legitimate societies and seminaries of the Tridentine Rite are bringing to the Church? Why not study WHY this is so and see where to go from there?
I do not think Rome is. Perhaps this Cardinal is, but not Rome.
However, Rome must not fail to see the negative spiritual results either. Rome needs to balance all things out.
I attended liberal Catholic colleges for a number of years.
I could tell you stories . . .
I attended elementary, middle and high school under the control of the SSPX. Boy *I* can tell *you* stories. Stories about persecution, and violence, and lies, and threats, and fulfilled threats.
The people I came into contact with there are not worthy of the defense of solid Catholics like yourself or Fr. Stephanos . . .
Thank you for your kind and unmerrited words. The people I came into contact with there, on the other hand, are not only not worthy of defense from solid Catholics like yourself. They are worthy of forgiveness, but only because the Lord commanded it.
I forgive them because I know God forgives my own sins, which are far greater and more numerous, but I do so against every fiber of my fallen human nature.
Lord, have mercy on us all!
Shalom,
Memo.