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Dear Brad,

If you PM me a mailing address, I'll send you a papal pin - I have an extra one - free of charge, of course!

Alex

Alex,
Once again you've displayed your generosity and kindness to me in ways that bring a small tear to my eye.

Ab imo pectore, Gratias !!

Brad

Dear Alex,

I think I just figured out the correct meaning of your earlier statement. It seems that I misread the conjunction in your question:

Amado,

If you can make your question a bit more specific, I'll probably have more thoughts to share about it.

Alex,
I was unable to send a PM to you so I have to publicly express my gratitude.
I received the papal pin yesterday. Thank you so very much. It is beautiful.
I assume that the Ukrainian orange ribbon the pin was affixed to was your "personal" touch.

On another note, I have made a promise that if Scotland or Eire do not qualify for the FIFA World Cup 2006, I will support Ukraine (who have already qualified at the top of their group).

Brad

Dear Brad,

Yes, I got the orange ribbon from an Orange Revolution demonstration.

But I included it as a papal colour with your pin.

I'm very happy you like it and you are most welcome!

Recently, President Yuschenko fired his Prime Minister and government.

But the Presidents of Poland and Georgia support him and are working with him in preparation for the next elections.

It's great to have both Catholics and Orthodox on one's side, don't you think?

Alex

The Orthodox churches, have always had mixed relations with Rome. For the last 50 years there has been a visible improvement in relations,with most,but not all Orthodox churches.
Generaly speaking, relations with the Orthodox churches of,Jerusalem,Greece,Mt.Athos, and Russia have always been on the cool side.
Especialy since Vatican II Rome has worked very hard and gone to enormous lengths to improve relations with the Orthodox churches. Of the less friendly ones, only Greece's has shown any improvement.
Because of the number of Catholics in the old Soviet Union working on improvement in relations with the ROC has been very important.Regretably even with the great lengths that JPII was willing to go. After more than 10 years relations have not improved.
It would seem their are basic diferences of opinon in very important subjects.Which make improving relations with the ROC impossible.

That would suggest that any dialogue or even that the Holy Spirit can not change things?

You definitely make your hatred for the Russian Orthodox Church quite evident in your posts.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
Moderator

Which would make improving relations with the Russian Orthodox Church impossible :rolleyes:

Gaudior, not likely to win the Nobel Peace Prize for that statement

I do not hate the Russian Orthodox church ! We have had 15 years of appeasing its,suspicions. With almost no improvement in relations ,at all. Pointing this out is just being honest.We all hope for an improvement in relations. Thats what JPII worked very hard for.

Orthodox Catholic: I'm coming in a bit late, but I notice earlier in the thread you refered to the term "return to her bosom". While it's quite likely that you DID understand what I'm about to say, I happen to be in a similar discussion on another forum in which it is clear that the Eastern Orthodox in the discussion don't understand what is meant by such terms, and I figured I might as well say the piece here as well.

When the Catholic Church is refered to as "Mother Church", it's most definately NOT refering to Rome, but the Catholic Communion. That's why the whole "sister Church" thing is being dropped, because people were using it to apply to the Orthodox and Catholic Communions as a whole. No Eastern Orthodox would be "returning to the bosom of Rome". Rome is actually in the bosom of the Mother Church, not the Mother Church herself.

The Church of Rome and the Orthodox Church of Constantinople are indeed sister Churches, but the Catholic Church can never be considered a "sister church" to the Eastern Orthodox Communion, because that would imply that the Catholic Church isn't really Catholic after all, and that there's a REAL Catholic Church up above both communions. Rome is the "daughter Church" of the Catholic Church, just like the other Catholic Churches.

Again, I'm sure you knew what was meant, I just saw your statement and it reminded me of the discussion on the other forum. Figured it might be worth clearing up for anyone reading this thread, espescially since it seems that Patriarch Alexy II makes the big mistake of identifying "Catholic Church" with "Roman Catholic Church" in the interview. Talk about confusion