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Originally posted by Rilian:
[b] I'm not really sure how to judge him, but when I asked someone a while in a different fora what the issues were with collegiality internally within the RCC I was pointed to this - The Claims of the Primacy and the Costly Call to Unity [ewtn.com] .

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Andrew,

Thanks for suggesting that document. I think it�s a very good discussion of intra-Catholic dialogue on the primacy, but it isn�t comprehensive. In particular, he seems to focus mostly on western points of view, and thus draws little distinction between the pope�s role with respect to the church universal and his role as head of the Latin Church.
Then there�s also Cardinal O�Connor�s point:
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The archbishop's lecture takes as context Pope John Paul II's encyclical on Christian unity <Ut Unum Sint> ("That They May Be One") and offers a response to the pope's invitation to "fraternal dialogue." I had personally interpreted the pope's call to dialogue in this encyclical as an invitation to "church leaders and their theologians" of other Christian persuasion, rather than to Roman Catholics. Archbishop Quinn clearly considers it to be a call to Roman Catholic bishops, theologians and others to make recommendations to the Pope.

I'm not sure our differences in interpretation are unimportant. The archbishop's interpretation calls for him to address a number of issues which he considers essential in relation to Christian unity, whereas I respectfully question how many such issues are the impediments to unity that the archbishop perceives them to be. Indeed, I question whether they would be the issues addressed by non-Roman Catholic Christian church leaders and theologians in response to the pope's call for dialogue. Very few of these issues, in fact, have been cited by those I have personally met with, such as Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexis of Moscow, Pope Shenouda III, Coptic Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox Patriarch Manoogian or others, including leading Christian church leaders here in New York. It is my own conviction that the crucial obstacles to Christian unity remain doctrinal, including the very concept of the primacy of the pope, and not simply the mode of exercising the primacy.
This, of course, ties in to my original point (that the question of whether UOJ is true is a matter for dialogue between Catholics and those of �other Christian persuasion�, but the question of whether it is a dogma is a matter for dialogue among Catholics). [/b]
Quick question: by UOJ do you mean universal ordinary jurisdiction? If so, I certainly have some pretty strong thoughts about its status :p

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Quick question: by UOJ do you mean universal ordinary jurisdiction?
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If so, I certainly have some pretty strong thoughts about its status
I'd love to hear them!

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