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On the post about St Panteleimon, someone listed the following �archangels�:

Uriel
Salaphiel
Baruchiel/Barchiel (the same?)
Yegediel
Takheil

Could someone tell me the justification for these? When did they reveal themselves and how can we trust this tradition? Holy Scripture says there are but seven archangels yet if you count them up according to that one post, there are 8 and maybe even 9 (if Baruchiel and Barchiel are different). I�ve only ever heard of St Michael, St Gabriel, and St Raphael.

Looking forward to learning!

In Christ,
Marshall

Never heard of this. Someone must have been smoking some of them funny cigarettes.

Blessings!

GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST!
GLORY TO HIM FOREVER!

I've heard that there are 8 Archangels. Back in 1988, the OCA did a wonderful poster of Our Lady of the Sign and it showed the 8 Archangels along with their names, their jobs, and the colors associated with them.

I've also read the names of the Archangels on several Orthodox sites.

Will try to find the websites and will post when I locate them.

the ikon writer
mark

Archangels one of the choirs of angels. They rank ahead of regular angels. Thus, as a choir, there are probably innummerable archangels. However, I always understood there to be "...seven, who stand before the Lord." (Tob. 12,15). The three biggies, Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel, are found in the Bible. I thought the others were mentioned in the Book of Enoch, but three other Archangels are listed.

I don't think this has anything to do with funny cigarettes!
At Holy Resurrection Monastery(www.hrmonline.org [hrmonline.org]), there is a beautiful Icon with the 7 Archangels and there names on it. From what I understand the 7 names and Angels come from Jewish tradition. When I go to the Monastery tommorow I will try to remember to write the names of the angels down and let you know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
Jessica

GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST!
GLORY TO HIM FOREVER!

I just found this website: www.stjohndc.org/tour/angels.htm [stjohndc.org]

It's a tour of St.John's ROCOR Cathedral in Washington, DC. It shows 6 of the Archangels and their names.

I remember the poster done by St.Tikhon's had 8 Archangels and I think there are 8 Archangels at the Carmelite monastery at Sugarloaf,PA on the ceiling of their sanctuary.

I'll keep searching.....

mark

Just great! Medved's site gives us an archangel that was previously unmentioned:
Jedudiel. That makes 9 archangels. Plus I found an apocryphal Jeremiel in the Catholic Encyclopedia. Where do these guys come from? Can we really trust that there are such angels?

Marshall

Look in the Apcrophya.

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According to the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom in the priest's "silent" prayer just before the "Holy, holy, holy..." the priest prays thus:

"...We thank Thee also for this ministry which Thou dost deign to accept from our hands, even though there stand before Thee thousands of Archangels, myriads of Angels, Cherubim and Seraphim, six-winged and many-eyed, who are borne aloft on their wings."

Amen!

Medved's site gives us an archangel that was previously unmentioned:
Jedudiel.

Actually, a Cathedral's site, which means that a Bishop should be paying attention to what's going on.

That makes 9 archangels.

Thanks be to God!

Plus I found an apocryphal Jeremiel in the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Praise the Lord!

Where do these guys come from?

Blessed is the Kingdom of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit!

Can we really trust that there are such angels?

YES!

Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe!


Have a Blessed Day!

John
Pilgrim and Odd Duck



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The Book of Enoch (aka the Secrets of Enoch) names the archangel Pravuil, the angel that records the deeds and works of God; Gabriel, the angel that sits to the left of God and instructs Enoch as to the meaning of Pravuil's books; Michael, who led Enoch before the face of God, among other things; and the angels Samuil and Raguil, the two that brought Enoch to the Heavens. While this book is not in Sacred Scripture, it was very popular and well know at the time of Christ, and is refered to by St Paul, when he says somewhere,"I was taken up to the third Heaven."

Hmmm. These references to Archangels, who they are and how many there are is sort of like dealing with the CIA: How many? That's classified. Their names? National Security. What their jobs are? That's classified.

Maybe the most wonderful Della Reese and the (ever lovely) Roma Downey (love her accent!) will do a program and clear up the issue!

Blessings!

GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST!
GLORY TO HIM FOREVER!

"Medved's site gives us an archangel that was previously unmentioned:
Jedudiel."

I don't think this is another new Archangel rather than a new way to spell the Archangel you had listed earlier. The letter "J" is often pronounced like the letter "Y" when it's transliterated from OCS.

the ikon writer
mark

Dear Friends,

Sorry to have caused such a controversy with my humble post on the Eastern Church patrons!

Both Scripture, deuterocanonical sources and Tradition refer to different names of Archangels.

St Raguel is most popular in Ethiopia and I often come across the names of those I've never heard of before.

The names of these angels are, of course, names that we can relate to. Angels do not, by tradition, reveal their actual names since they "would be too wonderful" for us to grasp.

We are also allowed to name our own Guardian Angel, if we so wish.

In establishing the Feast of the Angels, the Eastern Church deliberately chose November 8 relating the number "9" (November was formerly the ninth month of the year) or the number of the Choirs of angels and the number "8" or the number representing the end of times.

It is mysticism, poetry and theology. As the Church says, let us imitate the life of the Angels who constantly praise God and do only His Will!

Alex

Dear Dr. John,

I don't smoke anything, thanks to my mother's making me inhale a cigarette deeply when I was young to the point of gagging.

I'm surprised at your incredulity at this. I've always considered you to be an Angel myself

Alex