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#114306 10/20/03 01:07 PM
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Dear friends,

PLEASE forgive my long intro; not only that, but I am new to this "discussion board" means of communicating, and I already have this introduction on this board-- but I realized I put it in the wrong spot! (Sorry!!!) frown So I am copying it here. I hope that's okay!!!

Just so you'll understand where I'm coming from...

Although my parents weren't Catholic, I was baptized as an infant (long story) and received the other Sacraments in the Roman Catholic Church while I was growing up back in Pennsylvania, USA... As a teenager, I fell away from the Church... After years as an agnostic, I was blessed with a DRAMATIC "born-again" conversion experience in a little apartment in Los Angeles, CA-- ten years ago this month. Praise be to God, I was blessed with so many miracles during this time, that my hardcore-atheist husband instantly became a believer!.. Unfortunately, it never even occurred to me to return to the Church, and we inadvertantly fell into a choppy sea of fundamental evangelicalism.

To make a very long story short, last month I had my marriage convalidated and I began to receive the Sacraments again. However, I was sorely disappointed by the many changes in the Church.

Now to backtrack a bit: during my years away, and at a time when I was disgusted with the church we were currently attending, I had actually looked into Orthodoxy and even began attending a Greek Orthodox Church. I liked their theology (at least, the little I understood!), and thoroughly enjoyed their liturgy. Of course, my fundamentalist friends and even my dear husband thought I was going to Hell-in-a-handbasket!

Although I grew to love the Divine Liturgy, and it nearly killed me that I could not receive the Mysteries-- oddly enough I did not feel the Lord leading me to convert. So I just stopped going, but the experience never left my heart.

So now I'm officially and "legally" back in the Church, and-- lo and behold-- I recently discovered that the Roman Rite is NOT the ONLY Rite of the Catholic Church! I was FLOORED. I just learned about the Byzantine Catholic Church a couple weeks ago, and I was so thrilled I would have done cartwheels if I could! (I did cry tears of joy, though!) I really was one of those Roman Catholics thinking, "Are they REALLY in communion with Rome?!??" But in my case followed by, "This is too good to be true!!!!!" smile

Well friends, yesterday I had my first experience in a Byzantine Catholic Church-- and it was like a little slice of Heaven here on earth! Not only that, but-- miracle of miracles-- my sweet Protestant husband (and our little children, AND my Lutheran mom!) went with me, and everybody loved it (though I had to take our fidgety 2 yr. old out to cry in the entrance area a few times wink ...

My husband responded MUCH better to the Eastern liturgy than the Roman. We got to speak with the Priest after the Divine Liturgy, who was wonderful and welcoming and easy to talk to, and my hubby really liked him a lot. We even asked him about Baptism, and he was SO warm and encouraging!

So now we are praying about having our little ones baptized into the Byzantine Catholic Church. You have NO IDEA what a miracle this is-- especially concerning my dear hubby. I'm no Church history scholar, but from my limited knowledge, I believe this is much like Calvin, Luther AND Zwingli deciding to have THEIR kids baptized Catholic!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I don't understand much, and I have a lot of undoing of my evangelical mindset ahead of me, but I haven't had this much PEACE in my heart in years. smile

So now hopefully you will know why I will be asking you guys so many "dumb" questions in the coming days and weeks!!! (Please bear with me!)

Your new friend,
Donna Ellis ><>

#114307 10/20/03 01:12 PM
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What was the byzantine parish named? I also live in S. California, so im curios.

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#114308 10/20/03 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Donna Ellis:
So now we are praying about having our little ones baptized into the Byzantine Catholic Church.
FYI - No matter which Rite baptizes your children, they "belong" to the Rite of their father. So if your husband has already been confirmed into the Roman Catholic Church, your children will officially be Roman Catholic even if they are baptized in an Eastern Rite parish... You can attend the Byzantine Rite parish all your lives but the children will still be Roman Catholic. It probably doesn't make much difference since it's only on paper, unless they decide to become a priest or something and then they discover they are really Roman Rite.

Solutions? If your husband hasn't been confirmed yet, you can change to Byzantine Rite NOW and he can be confirmed there. If he has already been confirmed, he can request a change of Rite (you both can request a change of rites; I am focusing on your husband because it would be his Rite that would determine the rite of your children). I understand this to be a lengthy process, which I believe includes regularly attending a Byzantine Rite parish for a long time (like a year or two?), but it can be done. The only catch is that once you have changed rites you are not allowed to change back. Perhaps someone else on this board can give you more details.

I used to attend a Byzantine Rite parish that was populated by 95% Roman Catholic parishioners. Their children were baptized and chrismated and married in the Byzantine Rite parish. They consider themselves Byzantine, and will probably live their lives as such - unless one of these children decides to become a priest or deacon and finds he is under the jurisdiction of the local Roman bishop. At that time, the child could always apply for a change of rite and I am sure it would be granted to him, given that he was raised Byzantine.

#114309 10/22/03 08:35 AM
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Hi Donna,

I was touched by your story. It may not be too difficult to "change rites" especially if your husband is considering converting there....though even then you do want to think it out thoroughly first, and from what I hear, it isn't always a quick process.

However, with the effect the Byzantine Rite is having on your family, it might be best....pray hard, rejoice in the Lord, and may the Lord guide the decision smile

Please ask a zillion questions on the boards...(I'm hanging around the edges listening for the answers) biggrin

I'm a Roman Catholic who really isn't interested in changing rites, but I very much want to know, understand, and connect with Eastern Catholicism. I believe that true unity is important, along with a clear understanding that our Rites are not identical, nor do they have to be.

I believe Eastern and Western Catholics should love and respect each other's rites, and see the beauty in the variety....

I hope things continue to be happy for you and your family, as you proceed along your faith journey...

Unity in Christ


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Dear Unity in Christ,
Thanks for your kind words!
There are many things I like about the Roman Rite, too!
We sure have a big, beautiful, Catholic Church!!!
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Donna
very refreshing to hear your story.
I was a former Lutheran who converted to the Catholic Church.
Grace and Peace,
Stephanos I


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