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Originally posted by Theist Gal: Originally posted by Carole:
[b] I used to be an extremely liberal, radical feminist, atheist.
With God all things are possible. 
It's better on this side, ain't it?  [/b]Dear ones in Christ, Just a note of rejoicing to say Thanks be to God! Might we not all say, "Where would we still be were it not for the goodness of God which has led us to repentance?" I'm sorry for all of the talk of questioning of motives based on one's background, etc. In a word - yuck! I'm sure the early Christians wondered what Saul was up to with this "supposed conversion" he had - when was "the persecutor" going to surface again"? As Alex mentioned FMG is just reiterating a position that is familar to the Orthodox; she is NOT "the problem". Each side RC/EO have a built in set of reasons on why they are right and the other guys, while close, just aren't. Sit in on an RCIA or Orthodox newcomer class and ask about the other side. Each will take you on a journey through Scripture, fathers, history and show why you should be with them and not with the others. As far as I know, the average person in the pew or standing at the Holy Liturgy is NOT losing much sleep - at home I mean  - over unity. The "other lung" is seldom - if ever - mentioned in the prayers of the church ... all is peachy. Before my wife and I were married, Fr. Whitey said (and he says this to all couples) - "... you don't 'love' each other". That always gets people's attention! He then would go on and speak to couples about what many men mean when they say "I love you" vs what women mean or have in mind. He then would provide "the true standard" in marriage - God's love - the way for both man and woman. I apologize for a gross oversimplification of his talk! Anyway, FMG is saying the same thing about "unity" - and essentially says one must understand the EO worldview in order to properly hold a dialog in this regard and move past square one. One thing is for sure - the EO have been watching the EC to see how this unity with Rome business is working out - not just the theory and paperwork. I have read time and time again here of the frustration of the EC in (thanks to some encouragement from JPII) recovering the fullness of their heritage as Eastern Christians - getting out of the shadow of the Latin rite, becoming visible and growing! The EO would love nothing more than see the RC recover her orthodoxy and return to the Church. That is their view and it's available for all to read at the variuos OCA,GOARCH, etc sites on the internet. The RC have their own view of what is needed for reunion. Much hinges on the role of the Bishop of Rome. Hurray for Frederica and this controversial article - perhaps it may be used to get everyone on the same page as we find out what is "the standard for unity" just as dear Fr. Whitey had to call two people, with different ideas of love to see just what "true love" is. And then it has to be lived out by the grace of God. The journey continues...
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: As a husband, I:
wash dishes, clean house, including the bathrooms, water the outside flower-pots, do all the heavy gardening, including the spreading of the manure (something I've been told I do even here with some regularity - am I good or what? ), grass-cutting, weeding in hot weather, dog-walking, making the bed EVERY morning, preparing breakfast for one and all EVERY morning, and making the most frequent use of only two words out of the many in the English dictionary, namely, "YES, DEAR."
Alex You sound a lot like my dear husband! He also does most of the car maintnance! He's one of the good guys, a "real keeper" as my grandmother would say!
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Originally posted by Theist Gal: Originally posted by Carole:
[b] I used to be an extremely liberal, radical feminist, atheist.
With God all things are possible.
It's better on this side, ain't it? [/b]It is much better on this side! I am now what so many of my feminist friends feared being ... and I've never been happier or more fulfilled as a person! Thank God for leading me from that life of emptiness!
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Dear Woody, That is all well and good. Now what things do YOU do around the house? We can't accept what you say on faith alone . . . Works are also needed . . . Alex
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: Dear Woody,
That is all well and good.
Now what things do YOU do around the house?
We can't accept what you say on faith alone . . .
Works are also needed . . .
Alex You're right Alex (although due to this format, you still only have my word on it ... I guess the true test is having the wives answer this one ). I'm exhausted and inspired looking at the list of your daily routine - wow! We moved into an older home, so the routine has become being somewhat of a handyman (now I wish I had taken shop instead of Spanish ... I ask a lot of questions at the hardware store) - which has involved putting down a tile floor, changing out ceiling fans, installing sinks and doing simple plumbing tasks. I was "bitten" by a garage door spring (and have the scar on on my hand to show it); I never thought I would be doing this sort of thing in my leisure time! It helps working in the computer department of a company that is a wholesale supplier of plumbing, electrical and other items found at a hardware store - lots of advise! We have homeschooled our children - one is still homeschooled and the other attends a Christian school. I help with any lingering math problems or school projects in the evenings. In short - I see my job as being my wife's "relief" when I come home after work or while I'm at home on the weekends. Depends on what needs to be done - from folding laundry, going to the store, getting the guys ready for bed, etc. On Saturdays, I'll fix the guys breakfast and we'll do some of the common chores - clean rooms, the bathroom, laundry or yardwork. I usually cook something on the grill on Saturday/Sunday. I admit to not having an official schedule - I know it would help in the long run. Often, I just say, "What needs to be done?" or "How can I help so you can take a break?". Sometimes, I will go grocery shopping ... it's funny watching how guys shop - some go methodically (goal oriented) down the isles with a check list ... others just grab what they saw advertized on TV! I'm one of the methodical dudes - although I sometimes stray from the list - or buy the wrong brand, quantity, etc. In the "art of shopping" - I'm still using crayons so to speak. I look forward to the time when everyone is in bed - at last - peace and quiet - I can read, correspond, etc. My wife averages 2-3 migraine headaches a month. I often get a call and I'm home in 20 minutes (we computer guys appreciate the flexibility of being able to work from home) and taking over the preparation of the meals, etc. while my wife has some peace and quiet in the darkened bedroom. I could do much, much better and - by the grace, mercy and example of the Saviour - making progress in this area - it does help to hear how others show their faith by their works. As one minister commented, "The moonlight and roses turn into daylight and dishes". Alex, thanks for sharing what you do - that's love in action, dear brother! Woody
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Are the staunch supporters of Frederica known as "Mathewites"? Dave
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: Dear Dolly and Carole,
That's all well and good . . .
However, you should establish a standard for men just to ensure that you aren't being "had" when it comes to gender equality . . .
So I offer myself up as a possible standard, and only if you two agree:
As a husband, I:
wash dishes, clean house, including the bathrooms, water the outside flower-pots, do all the heavy gardening, including the spreading of the manure (something I've been told I do even here with some regularity - am I good or what? ), grass-cutting, weeding in hot weather, dog-walking, making the bed EVERY morning, preparing breakfast for one and all EVERY morning, and making the most frequent use of only two words out of the many in the English dictionary, namely, "YES, DEAR."
Alex Aww Alex ... you mean you're ALREADY MARRIED?? Sigh ... there go my fondest hopes and dreams, right down the drain! But - substitute "emptying the cat's litter box" for "dog walking" and you've got me, babe!
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Originally posted by Chtec: Are the staunch supporters of Frederica known as "Mathewites"?
Dave It does sound better than "Greenies," doesn't it?
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Originally posted by byzanTN: Originally posted by Chtec: [b] Are the staunch supporters of Frederica known as "Mathewites"? Dave Come on guys ... Get with it. It is: Matthews-Green-yites! ;D
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
Happily, my credibility here is never called into question as a result . . .
Alex MS Alex Now that has a ring to it
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Originally posted by byzanTN:
The question for me is, can a liberal Episcopalian change her spots? We have a number of Episcopalians in my area who are now OCA. But talking to some of them reveals that they are still Episcopalians, with a name change. I still am having trouble seeing what it is that makes her "liberal". Her views as I have read them have always struck me as being fairly socially conservative, at least by the standards of mainstream secular society. Fr. Gregory certainly was not a liberal Episcopalian and was one of the drafters of the Baltimore Declaration. Aside from that I can't say I've ever run across someone who I would describe as a liberal Episcopalian who converted. My experiences are that they like icons but can't deal with most of the rest that comes with being Orthodox. The converts I know, both Catholic and Orthodox, are conservative. It's why they left. So I definitely can't relate to your experience at the OCA church you mention. Andrew
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Originally posted by AMM:
I still am having trouble seeing what it is that makes her "liberal". Her views as I have read them have always struck me as being fairly socially conservative, at least by the standards of mainstream secular society.
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Andrew I agree, Andrew - she does have a different approach to certain issues, like abortion (she's pro-life, but tries to find common ground with pro-abortion people, such as getting them to help fund crisis pregnancy centers & stuff like that). And she is a feminist, but in a Feminists for Life way, not a NOW way! (Bumper sticker idea: Real feminists are pro-life!]
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Originally posted by Marc:
my only comment is that such misperceptions of the Church are common amongst both Catholics and non-Catholics. It's not surprising (but unfortunate) that she chose to base her discussion of the differences on this misperception And that is my - whole point - thje perpeptuation of these misconceptions. People - perpetuate - these misconceptions. And that ... is a problem. They want to - and tend to - convince others that these 'problems' are real ... that IS the problem. well - you get it. Thanks. -ray
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Dear RayK,
Darn right!
MS Alex = Macho Super Alex!
Carole and Dolly - get him!!
Alex
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Dear Dolly, I love cats too! Sorry, I should have mentioned I was married . . . I apologise for leading you on like this . . . Pleasant dreams! Alex
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