|
1 members (Michael_Thoma),
487
guests, and
95
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums26
Topics35,511
Posts417,525
Members6,161
| |
Most Online3,380
Dec 29th, 2019
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 28
single
|
|
single
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 28 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,724 Likes: 2
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,724 Likes: 2 |
I still don't expect much movement of Anglicans toward Catholicism. It seems to me that the real Anglican objectors to trends in that church left some time ago. I expect to hear complaints, but to see little change.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 4,678 Likes: 1
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 4,678 Likes: 1 |
Charles, I must say that I agree with you and with others who state that there will be relatively few Anglicans who trickle into the Church.
I guess it's a mix of wishful thinking and bewilderment at their logic - but how can one be honest to himself and still spiritually reside in the Anglican Communion? It seems like a betrayal to conscience to me (which, from a Catholic standpoint, is very serious matter).
Logos Teen
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,411
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,411 |
Based on the political/social/theological beliefs of most Anglicans/Episcopalians I know. I would expect a trickle at best, definitely not a flood.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 217
Junior Member
|
|
Junior Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 217 |
Originally posted by Alice: To be a priest in the Western Catholic tradition, even in England, is very different, culturally, to being a vicar/rector/priest in the Church of England, even if one is an Anglo-catholic....
I find the above paragraph most intriguing. Would you mind elaborating on it? Thank you!
In Christ,
Alice Hi Alice, Sure! It doesn't matter if an RC is as lapsed as lapsed can be, when s/he is at the point of death, a family member will ring Father at the Presbytery (it matters not the time of day or night) and Father will come and say the last rites. A vicar in the Church of England would not expect to be troubled with such news until the break of day. His/her parishioners are much too 'polite' to bother her/him when sleeping. That is one of the best/extreme (no pun intended) examples I can think of. Hope it puts flesh to the bone I offered earlier, OK. blessing, wg
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 217
Junior Member
|
|
Junior Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 217 |
Originally posted by incognitus:
Some Anglican ministers in England did become Melkite when the C of E began ordaining priestesses. Perhaps more will now join them.
Incognitus There is no such thing as a priestess in the Church of England; me thinks you're mixed up with those who work for the Enemy!  BTW, I met the first ever, alphabetically speaking, woman to be ordained a priest in the CoE-- nice lady-- good priest, I'm sure. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 217
Junior Member
|
|
Junior Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 217 |
... and there is no such word as... bishopess, OK!!! :rolleyes:
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,724 Likes: 2
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,724 Likes: 2 |
Originally posted by wild goose:
... and there is no such word as... bishopess, OK!!! :rolleyes: I view "priest" as a traditionally male term in English, except among the liberals. A woman can never be a "priest" except among those who wish to subvert a perfectly good and descriptive language for the purposes of political correctness. But again, as a Catholic - although Eastern - I don't even care what the Anglicans ordain, since I wouldn't accept it as valid anyway. I think I would find much more in common with the Anglicans of Asia and Africa, than with the ones in England and the USA.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,994 Likes: 10
Moderator Member
|
|
Moderator Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,994 Likes: 10 |
Originally posted by wild goose: Originally posted by Alice: [b] To be a priest in the Western Catholic tradition, even in England, is very different, culturally, to being a vicar/rector/priest in the Church of England, even if one is an Anglo-catholic.... Dear Wild Goose, I find the above paragraph most intriguing. Would you mind elaborating on it? Thank you! In Christ, Alice
Sure!
It doesn't matter if an RC is as lapsed as lapsed can be, when s/he is at the point of death, a family member will ring Father at the Presbytery (it matters not the time of day or night) and Father will come and say the last rites.
A vicar in the Church of England would not expect to be troubled with such news until the break of day. His/her parishioners are much too 'polite' to bother her/him when sleeping.
That is one of the best/extreme (no pun intended) examples I can think of. Hope it puts flesh to the bone I offered earlier, OK. blessing, wg [/b]Thank you! In Christ, Alice
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 217
Junior Member
|
|
Junior Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 217 |
Originally posted by byzanTN: Originally posted by wild goose:
[b] ... and there is no such word as... bishopess, OK!!! :rolleyes: Hi TN, Would that logic also work for the perfectly good and descriptive Greek word translated 'deacon' in the New Testament? I'd say so, and I'd remind us that Phoebe is a deacon: sunisthmi de umin foibhn thn adelfhn hmwn, ousan [kai] diakonon ths ekklhsias ths en kegcreais ΣΥΝΙΣΤΗΜΙ ΔΕ ΥΜΙΝ ΦΟΙΒΗΝ ΤΗΝ ΑΔΕΛΦΗΝ ΗΜΩΝ ΟΥΣΑΝ [ΚΑΙ] ΔΙΑΚΟΝΟΝ ΤΗΣ ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑΣ ΤΗΣ ΕΝ ΚΕΓΧΡΕΑΙΣ grace and peace, wg
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,724 Likes: 2
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,724 Likes: 2 |
I don't think the translators of the New Testament - at least in the older English translations - had a feminist, politically correct agenda to advance.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517 |
"Deaconess" and "priestess" are words which have been in use in the English language for a very long time. The undisputed evidence that "deaconess" is a word in peaceable use among Christians while "priestess" is not should tell us something immediately. I first ran into "bishopess" in the early nineteen-sixties, with reference to the Mariavites; it may have been used earlier. All three of these words are as normal as "actress" - Helen Hayes was one of the greatest actresses of the twentieth century, and she would certainly not have been offended at being so described. The Empress Zita is a strong candidate for beatification. Princess Vera Constantinovna of Russia was one of the very last survivors of the pre-revolutionary Romanovs. The Duchess of Kent became a Catholic several years ago. A former Prime Minister is now a Baroness. Abbess Macrina is a great Saint. A prioress was among Chaucer�s pilgrims to Canterbury. A good seamstress is always in demand.
I am certainly among the enemies of the tendency to debase language. There is nothing wrong with the word "priestess"; there is everything wrong with attempting to create a Christian priestess.
Incognitus
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 42
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 42 |
There are Catholic bureaucrts who don't want an influx of Anglicans into the church.They look at them as a obstacle to Ecumenical relations with the Anglican Communion,Baloney.
If they want to return to Rome good for them.They should be warmly welcomed.If past history is any measure many will go to the Orthodox.The Antiochans have an attraction to former Anglicans.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,904
Orthodox Catholic Toddler Member
|
|
Orthodox Catholic Toddler Member
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,904 |
Originally posted by byzanTN:
I still don't expect much movement of Anglicans toward Catholicism. It seems to me that the real Anglican objectors to trends in that church left some time ago. I expect to hear complaints, but to see little change. I agree with this. It's much ado about nothing now. The great migration is over, very few of those who object to modern developments are bound for the Tiber or the Bosphorus. And besides, the most significant block of conservative Anglicans are evengelical, they would head in that direction. +T+ Michael
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 217
Junior Member
|
|
Junior Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 217 |
there is everything wrong with attempting to create a Christian priestess. The very word priestess has an association with that of the Enemy, not Mother Church. :rolleyes: I know many female priests in the Church of England and a few in the Episcopal Church USA... all of them work for Mother Church! blessing, wg p.s. the word bishopress is as normal as... the word actress? I can catch zzz-s now having had a good chuckle on which to end the day.
|
|
|
|
|
