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#122057 11/06/03 07:31 PM
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Y'all might find the "St. Elias" Church website helpful.

http://www.saintelias.com/

They've even got a page for newbies, like me.

http://www.saintelias.com/EtiquetteKK/EtiquetteKK_elia.html

Besides, one hiermonk I know though he's been Greek Catholic for a zillion years, says he's still learning new stuff every day!

To quote our beloved "Anhela" (even though now that she's become quite the expert on things Eastern Church) (and so for me too):

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Let the learning continue!
Herb

#122058 11/06/03 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by incognitus:
"Father Deacon" is not a solecism, it is a perfectly correct, courteous way of addressing a deacon or refering to him (e.g. - "Father Deacon, here's a kilo of incense" or "Father Deacon tells me that the parish needs a kilo of incense"). When addressing or referring to other clergy of the appropriate rank, one properly says "Father Archpriest", "Father Archimandrite", and so on. When "Father" stands alone, it is assumed that the person thus addressed or denominated is a presbyter (a priest of second rank - a Bishop is a priest of first rank). Incognitus
P.S. To enter the church edifice properly, one goes through the door into the building!
Just because you find something 'perfectly correct' does not make it so. The phrase in question is plainly infelicitous English, which generally looks askance on the piling up of nouns on nouns, especially when there are perfectly good adjectives and adverbs extant. (I am paid to edit an academic journal and thus know something about such matters.) It also forbids the wanton and promiscuous use of adjectival descriptions (which is what 'father-deacon' is) as titles except according to strict rules.

In this case, the title, whose usefulness is not in dispute, is excused on the grounds of being an ecclesiastical colloquialism, as it were. English is a wonderfully flexible language, and such phrases, though they grate on the ear, are not (alas!) therefore verboten (!).

#122059 11/06/03 08:17 PM
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"Infelicitous" "extant" "wanton" "promiscuous" and "verboten" all in one post! I love it!

Thank you!

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#122060 11/06/03 10:33 PM
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I just asked a few simple questions and I am receiving an education biggrin ...Thanks!


Let us pray for Unity In Christ!
#122061 11/07/03 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Herbigny:
They've even got a page for newbies, like me.
http://www.saintelias.com/EtiquetteKK/EtiquetteKK_elia.html
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Herb, FANTASTIC!!! Almost all my questions answered in one place! What a wonderful website! Thanks so much for posting this! biggrin

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Dear Donna,

But even there one might want to watch out a bit . . .

Some things that are said about traditions might not be the traditions in other, and even most parishes of the UGCC up here.

But it is an excellent site.

Alex

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