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Dear DJS,

Come on now DJS don't be so hard on me. I have my moments as you choose to identify and know too well it seems. Your attention to such matters is limited again. I recall a while back (my first post I think) you found my posting of The Patriarchal Encyclical of 1895
A Reply to the Papal Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII (1895) on Reunion
to be offensive as well. I suspect you didn't read the entire document by Father Guettee. Nevertheless having said that, if you find Eastern Orthodox Christian understandings and the referenced text to be constantly offensive I'll cease from posting. Forgive me again. No need to escalate the matter. I most certainly should have known better.

Trying to be a Christian,

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I recall a while back (my first post I think) you found my posting of The Patriarchal Encyclical of 1895
A Reply to the Papal Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII (1895) on Reunion
to be offensive as well.
If you go back to the thread, you will discover that your recollection is in error.
https://www.byzcath.org/bboard/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=001029;p=1

Matthew you may post Jack Chick if you like, but if you do, please don't feign a hope for inoffensiveness. And please, for the sake of my unrent garments, do not sign off "In Christ".

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Dear DJS,

Pardon my poor memory. I have no desire to fight with you. God be with you always, I'm sorry I offended you with my references.

Here are a few quotes.

Do not be surprised if you fall back into your old ways every day. Do not be disheartened, but resolve to do something positive about it; and, without question, the angel who stands guard over you will honour your perseverance.
�St John Klimakos

What is the sign that a man has attained to purity of heart, and when does a man know that his heart has entered into purity? When he sees all men as good and none appears to him to be unclean and defiled, then in truth, his heart is pure.

�St Isaac of Syria

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Dear Matthew:
Thanks for the quotes from St John Klimakos and St Isaac of Syria, especially the latter. Such a long road.

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Dear in Christ DJS,

You are welcome. Yes, I should have posted them instead of Father Guettee paper. After all they would have fit better into the "What is our status" thread it seems relative to how we should be. There are many Patristic quotes in the Guettee paper as well but it depends on how we understand them it seems, hence our disagreements.

God be with you DJS and forgive me 70 times 7 comes to mind. If my memory serves me correctly some fathers taught that it adds up to infinity. I could be wrong again, but I'm sure you understand the general idea. I'll leave you in peace thanks for helping me out.

The Sinner,

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Dear in Christ DJS,
God be with you DJS and forgive me 70 times 7 comes to mind. If my memory serves me correctly some fathers taught that it adds up to infinity.

Matthew Panchisin
It seems to be the First Temple formula for calculating the Sabbath cycles (the Lunar months of the First Temple calendar). It is a different calendar than the civil calendar used by the Second Temple (which was now Solar to agree with other nations).

The Sabbath cycles of the First Temple are a bit confusing and that calendar is lost to us. I am just researching it now� so I am not sure if it is months (in this particular formula) or 70 years or seventy Sabbath years. It appears to be any and all - a generic formula for calculating any of the Sabbaths within the cycle.

As such - it is the same as saying �the day of the Lord�. The word �day� here does not just mean 24 hours (sundown to sundown) but includes also a year (Sabbath year or Jubilee). So it means in our words - to calculate the �time of the Lord� or the moment (however long it lasts) of God being present. It rather names - an experience - rather than a literal time span.

In the gospels where Peter asks �How many times should I forgive?� the reply �Seventy times seven� means �until the great day of the Lord is upon you�. As Jesus is speaking to Peter when he uses the Temple formula phrase - it is more like saying �until� I come to get you� as way of the particular Judgment at the moment of death.

That - is in the ball park.

To sum it up: We are to forgive ever instance until - the moment of our own death in which moment Jesus will come and judge us individually (the 'Particular Judgement' according to the CCC).

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