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Attitudes have not changed. That is why so many EC's become RC's without having to do anything.

Really? Try reading this encyclical coupled with Orientale Lumen and the documents of Vatican II. I think many attitudes from Rome have changed dramatically since the mid-1700's.

There is still a residue of "Latin superiority" that remains to be dealt with. But I don't see it so much from Rome as from local Latin clergy and some Latin theologians...

Gordo

Interesting read...though I think the good Lord prefers...both if they be "humbly" practiced in spirit and truth...

PAX
james

So, two official pronouncements from Rome, that disagree with one another?

Reminds me of today, when Rome publicly condemns inclusive language and overly free translations, and confidentially and privately approves of them at the same time.

What's a Catholic to believe?

(Off topic, I know. Sorry)

Nick

I think maybe the Popes' attitudes have changed regarding the Eastern Churches, but the laity is still rather ignorant.

I'm going to embarass myself by admitting I frequent a Catholic single website and post in the fora there, and most of the time I find myself having to defend the Eastern Churches. Many there are of the opinion that either there is only a Latin Rite and no others, or that only the Latin Rite is really "Catholic". The word "schismatic" is used rather easily, as is "heretic". In fact, recently I engaged in a debate regarding Transubstantiation and the Words of Institution; the Latins claimed their claim but I provided the counter-example of the Chaldeans and Assyrians who have no explicit section of their anaphora containing the Words of Institution but Rome declared it a valid anaphora. Of course, the charge then became "Rome (who never errs) has erred. Aquinas has spoken."

I'm not going to go on and on and on about the ignorance and bigotry of much of the Latin laity (the LatinTrads are a breed all to themselves). Suffice to say, I've become very bitter towards these "ultramontaigne".

Yes, I believe this is correct.

I posted this old encyclical because I think old attitudes still haven't change. I still hear today of BC's children being baptized in RC's without a blink of the RC priest.

I wish their was a way in which the RC clergy and laity could be "enlightend."

One must first understand why the document was issued and what it was addressing...I'm not knowledgable about that particular time...

Siblings have been known to be rivals and loving at the same time...

james

Marc,
Sounds like you have a defective understanding about the infallibility of the Church of Rome.
Infallibility does NOT mean that the Church cannot make a mistake.
Stephanos I

Stephanos,

No defective ideas here. I was just trying to show Latin defective ideas.

How CAN we "enlighten" RC priests?

I don't think the priests are the ones who need to be enlightened, it's the laity.

I would say that you must first have enlightened priests before they can in turn enlighten the laity.


~Isaac

I have to go with Isaac on this one. Without the clergy being formed in some way there will never be any formation of the laity.

A couple years ago our pastor was conducting an adult education class and started, as he did, by asking for questions. Someone spoke up and asked why the Slavic Churches used a three-bar cross and why was the bottom bar at a slant. He admitted he had no clue. So I stood up and said that I could speak to that question. When I finished, he thanked me and said he had never heard an explanation, had never even given it any thought, and had very little experience or introduction to the Eastern Churches.

In Christ,

BOB

The priests I know actually have an interest in the East. So I guess I have a different view point.

You�re fortunate then. Last year I had an Asian RC priest serving here in Hawaii insist that our UGC mission was not Catholic. He stated that just because a Roman Catholic parish allows us to use its chapel does not make us Catholic. He was quite entrenched in his belief and after five minutes I gave up trying to explain just who and what we are as a lost cause. To add insult to injury, as I was leaving the secretary of this parish kept asking me which Protestant denomination we �really� belonged too! This is why I feel that educating the secretary is pointless when her priest is just as uneducated. I mean, seriously, who is she going to listen to - me or her priest?


~Isaac

I am not exactly sure, you'd probably want to check with Andrew on this to be absolutely sure, but I think you've lasooed a hobby-horse.

Eli