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While we prepare to receive the Patriarch, I invite all to pray for the full unity of Christians, invoking the intercession of the Virgin Mary. May the Holy Mother of God to whom the Christians of the East are so devoted, procure that the memory of the embrace between Paul VI and Athenagoras I, renew the commitment to the communion between Orthodox and Catholics.
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May we all be one.
May painful memories of the past be healed as we follow our Lord's tenet to forgive.
May we realize that spiritually we are already one, and must display that reality to the non-Christian world.
May love reign in our hearts, may understanding reign in our minds, may cultural differences be celebrated in our spirits.
May the *only* truth, that of following our Lord who IS *truth*, reign supreme in the hearts of the holy laity and our clergy and hierarchs.
Most Holy Mother of God hear our pleas for loving unity, and our desire to please your Son.
Amen.
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Lord, may each of us who calls himself Your servant take time today to remember that there are others You have placed in this world and in places that are directly opposite to where You have placed us. Let us with Your Grace learn that these may also call themselves Your servants. Let us remember that we have no corner on You, Your Grace, Your Great Mercy, or Your Promises. Let us remember that we do have the same command from You, that we love one another as You have loved us. Help us to remember that Your commandment of love does not release us from living and preaching Your Good News as we have received it, but let us also remember that our brother who may be opposite to us has also been given the Good News even though we may not recognize it in the form he has received it.
Shine into all hearts and let each one speak the Truth as he has received it and be charitable to others in listening to them speak. Grant to us the day when the Holy Spirit will cut through the Tower of Babel we have erected in Your Vineyard by our own sin. Le each one remember that his brother does not hold his understanding of the Truth as a heretic, but rather as one who has been placed in another place than oneself.
Grant all these things, Lord, so that the healing of Your Holy Body, the Church, may come quickly. Through the prayers of the Holy Mother of God, who is by Your Gracious Gift on the Cross our own mother, Lord, save us.
AMEN.
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Amen. Through the prayers of the Thetokos, in whom the divine and human were united, Lord, grant us that unity we so desire and need.
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Amen to what every one said so far!
Our L-rd Jesus Christ, Son of G-d, have mercy on us all sinners.
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Amen, amen, and amen.
Did I mention ... amen!
as one hymn said it...
"and let it begin with us."
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What in your estimation would be necessary for Communion to take place?
What could be the conditions for the Pope to have primacy in such a Communion.
What is the primacy? Is it merely a primacy of honor or does this honor not also convery some sense of power and authority.
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Bless, Father Stephanos!
From the Orthodox point of view, communion can be reestablished if Rome repented and returned to the primatial position it had before it fell into heresy and was cut off from the True Church of God in 1054 AD and absolutely by 1204 AD!
Do you see how easy it all is?
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Just stopped in for a quickie:
There seems to be a difference between the lay Orthodox perception of Rome in 1054 A.D. and the official, hierarchical Orthodox position.
Much has already been agreed upon by the hierarchies doctrinally. In the fruitful discussions about Christology between all the Churches, there was an expressed recognition by the bishops that the decisions of the hierarchs require "propaganda" - to get the word out to the lay Church. We do a disservice and would be guilty of disobedience to our hierarchs if we did not promote unity, especially those of us who are knowledgeable in the matters.
As far as the papacy is concerned, there needs to be a better guarantee that the rights of the Patriarchates will be respected. A codification in canon law of the attitude and example of Pope John Paul II would really jumpstart the reunion.
Blessings,
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Originally posted by Stephanos I:
[b]While we prepare to receive the Patriarch, I invite all to pray for the full unity of Christians, invoking the intercession of the Virgin Mary. May the Holy Mother of God to whom the Christians of the East are so devoted, procure that the memory of the embrace between Paul VI and Athenagoras I, renew the commitment to the communion between Orthodox and Catholics. [/b] Dear Friends, I wrote the ecumenical office of my Archdiocese to find out if I could receive the Holy Eucharist in a Church of the Patriarchate of Constantinople because the excommunications of the two churches were lifted by Pope Paul VI and Athenagoras I. I have not received a reply. Christ is our peace. The Theotokos is our mother. Paul
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Dear Paul,
Were you THAT Paul?
Oh, well, in that case, they contacted me to see if I could connect with you to tell you that they see nothing wrong with what you are asking, but that the Orthodox Church itself would have a problem with it and therefore it is best not to break their Canons!
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Alex,
The Church of Rome has never erred!
Stephanos I
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Alex, Thanks for yor quick and correct response. I wish the folks at the ASF ecumenical office were as efficient as you. My next card to play is: Obedience keeps the Canons, love knows when to break them.  Just kidding, just kidding. Our mother, Mary, can get us out of this mess.  Christ is our peace. Paul
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Paul,
Yes Alex is right! From the Catholic point of view you may receive the sacraments of Eucharist, Penance and Annointing of the Sick when you are cut off from you own communion. Provided that:They have valid Sacraments.
Canon 844
1. Catholics ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the Christian Faithful alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic Ministers alone, without prejudice to the proescripts of paragraph 2, 3 and 4.
2. When necessity requires it or true spiritual advantaage suggest it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferntism is avoided, the Christian Faithful for whom it is physically or marally impossible to approach a Catholic Minister are permitted to recieve the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.
3. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with he Catholic Church if they seek such on their own accord and are properly dispossed. This is also valid for members of other Churches which in the judgement of the Apostolic See are in the same condition in reagard to sacramentsas these Eastern Churches.
Peace,
Stepahnos I
PS As Alex stated, however you most likely not find any Orthodox who will communicate you.
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