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I have a good deal of sympathy for those Ukies who want their own autocephalous Church and don't want to have anything to do with a foreign patriarch.

Jason

Alex,
I am disappointed! Did I say that or are you reading it into my statement.
If you actually follow my post then you know HOW STRONGLY support the Ukranian Church in its appointing a Patriarch.
I was commenting on the general fact of those in here, and please forgive me, espcially Eastern Catholics, who continually moan and lamment the things of the past, they need to just get over it and on with it.
I have had many many bad experiences growing up, I have had many hurtful experiences within the Latin Church, but I have to live a Christian life, NOW.
Stephanos I
And please btw do not call me Sir! I am no longer in the military.

Dear Benedictus,

Yes, that great saint would have been an enthusiastic supporter of constitutional monarchy!

The best form of government we've yet devised!

I remember taking part in a parade to honour our Queen on Victoria Day.

There were some young American tourists nearby with whom I got talkin' to . . .

I joked with them and said that "If you didn't have that temper tantrum you guys call the 'American Revolution,' you could join us in the celebrations today!"

Two immediately shot back, "Well, we'd love to have the Crown back - a lot of us would."

I don't know if one could believe what they said.

You know about the credibility of Americans these days . . .

God bless America!

Alex

Bless, Father Stephanos!

Then I'm most happy to learn that you weren't referring to me with respect to those despicable people who are always whining about the past.

I just whine about the present!

And it's great to have you on our side on the patriarchate issue! It looks like we'll need all the people with military training that we can get!!

(And "Sir" was an old form of "Father" or "Reverend," as you know . . . )

Alex

We'd take the crown, but we don't need it. We have the Stanley Cup down here.

Dang. Hockey is like papal infallibility. It just keeps coming up on this forum.

Hockey - phoooeee......give me rugby any day...

Alex - it would appear that HM Elizabeth II is not popular here....

Anton

Dear Anton,

You'd rather have the Stuarts back, would you?

The Brits seem to want to become like the Americans and that is truly sad. ( The same sadness applies to the Australians).

Without the monarchy, Britain is . . . nothing.

At least we two can still proudly say,

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!

Alex

Dear Cizinec,

Without the monarchy, you wouldn't have had the Stanley Cup to take with you.

I understand that one can boil water in it from where it is located now . . .

You too have a monarchist movement (which is, by the way, more organized than ours and has more international clout).

God bless America!

Alex

Alex
Yes, being the liguist that I am I am aware of that.
Iclandic and Old English Sera and Sira. BTW I was a Sera when I was a priest in Iceland.
And also, I am one of those Americans who are of the mind that a Constitutional Monarchy would have been far better. Just not a "British" monarchy, eh? God shave the Queen
Stephanos I
P.S. What can I say its in my Norwegian blood!

GOD SAVE HIS MAJESTY KING HARALD V OF NORWAY!!!

First, for the record, I am not opposed to a Ukrainian Greek Catholic Patriarchate. That is an issue for the Ukrainian Greek Catholics themselves to decide, not Moscow or Rome.

HOWEVER, just to get another perspective in the debate. How would the Vatican and Catholics in general react if some Orthodox jurisdiction in Italy decided to give one of it's hierarchs the title "Pope of Rome"?


Christian,
who is NOT opposed to a UGC Patriarchate!

Actually it took some doing several decades ago to dissuade the Russian Church Abroad from consecrating their very own Bishop of Rome. Rome itself would probably pay no attention.
I had a university room-mate whose stated ambition it was to become the first King of America. Haven't had much news of him for quite a while.
So you have the Stanley Cup - but who has the saucer?
Incognitus

Dear Christian,

A monarchist AND you are not opposed to a UGC patriarchate . . .

That is too much good news for me to take in one person!

God save the Royal Family of Sweden!

What can you tell us about Uppsala and its ecclesial history with respect to Orthodoxy? Its pre-schism saints et al.?

Could a patriarchate be legitimately centred in Uppsala?

Alex

When the Russians decide to 'punish' the Latin rite Roman Catholics in their country, because the neighbooring country of Ukraine-Rus is exercising it's legitimate right to re-establish it's millennium old Christian tradition in it's capital city, then I think that ALL Christians (Orthodox, Catholic, and Scandinavian ) should do everything possible to protest this evil.

QUESTION:

When this does happen (notice I did not say maybe happen) then what will you do as an individual and as a member of your church to protest ?

Lenin once said that Russia could not accept Ukraine's independance because that would be like "a person loosing it's head".

IMHO, the loss of the Christian heritage of the ancient Rus city of Kyiv (a.k.a the 'cradle of Slavic Christianity') would be like "a person loosing it's soul".

Russia would have to reinvent itself. Maybe that would be a good thing.

Hritzko

That would be a great evil indeed if the MP closed Catholic Churches as a reaction against the formation of a Patriarchate for a sui juris Church. Watch out - maybe the government will be the instrument by which the MP will retaliate, which would mean a lot more misery and sadness.

I think what is really sad is that it has gotten to a point that we can actually think of the possibility that an Orthodox Church of Christ is capable of doing such horrendous evil.

If it ever happens, I, for my meager part, will write HH Pope Shenouda to protest the action.

Blessings,
Marduk