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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dragani: [qb]Stuart, I once knew a former presbyterian minister who was given the option of becoming a married RC priest. After contemplating the sacrfices involved, he decided against it. What saddens me is that so many our Eastern Catholic young men are never given such an option.  Equally sad is the fact that in Ukraine and the Carpathians, there are literally a dozen candidates for every opening in the seminaries. If our God-loving hierarchs were so inclined, they could easily bring several dozen over to be trained in our own seminaries, and then to serve for a period of time in our parishes. Of course, most of them ARE married, but our bishops choose to frame the issue in terms of "We want to grow our own vocations". [ 07-01-2002: Message edited by: StuartK ]
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Dragani What saddens me is that so many our Eastern Catholic young men are never given such an option. AMEN!
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SS. Cyril and Methodius Seminary is open to men from Mukachevo (and any other Byzantine jurisdiction)and some have studied there.
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Stuart,
Actually, no. The Catholic Church has given dispensations to married Protestant clergy to be ordained priests for about a century. The around twenty years ago, in order to deal with the influx of former Episcopalians, issued a special and temporary order for the United States (and, seperately, one for the UK) simplifing the process for these candidates.
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Originally posted by Lance:
SS. Cyril and Methodius Seminary is open to men from Mukachevo (and any other Byzantine jurisdiction)and some have studied there.
Lance But then there's (a) the money thing; and (b) getting our God-loving bishops to give their consent. Neither (a) nor (b) has been forthcoming on the scale that is both possible and desirable.
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Originally posted by Axios:
>>>Stuart,
Actually, no. The Catholic Church has given dispensations to married Protestant clergy to be ordained priests for about a century. The around twenty years ago, in order to deal with the influx of former Episcopalians, issued a special and temporary order for the United States (and, seperately, one for the UK) simplifing the process for these candidates.
Axios <<< That's very interesting. I was under the impression that the dispensations were actually for widowers and not for married Protestant clergy. If it included the latter, then how common was it? And if it included the former, then why was John Ireland so shocked when Alexis Toth showed up on his doorestep?
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Originally posted by Lance:
SS. Cyril and Methodius Seminary is open to men from Mukachevo (and any other Byzantine jurisdiction)and some have studied there. And so far not one of those men has been ordained. One of them even left the Church! Is it a wonder (on either side) that none have followed? Same deal, basically, with Archbishop Stephen Sulyk's program of filling St. Josaphat's Seminary in DC with boys (and I do mean boys) from Ukraine. Which of them was ordained for the Church in the USA? Not one.
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All of those ordained through St. Josaphat's seminary in D.C. will be filling American positions if they last through the formation process. That's the reason they are here at the seminary.
Ukrainian Catholic Bishop Basil Losten ordained two married men last summer for service in the Eparchy of Stamford, Connecticut. Metropolitan Stefan Soroka has stated publicly that he will ordain any worthy candidate, married or celibate.
The current pastor at my Ukrainian Catholic parish is a married former New York City beat cop and his last name is MacKinnon. Carpatho-Scotch? I was quickly perusing our eparchial clergy directory for our Eparchy of Chicago and it looks like from just a real quick thumbnail count we have about 50% married clergy for our eparchy now.
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Brothers and Sisters, Slava Isusu Christu! Thanks for the many postings to this topic. I am a retired engineer  So you can maybe imagine that I am good with numbers, and maybe not so good with emotions and feelings. To me, because of my military and engineering background, solutions to problems usually begin by clearly defining the current situation. I think one thing that needs to be defined is the extent of an existing married priesthood in the RCC and ECC. Please, if you have any good numbers, post them. Thank you! Reader Joseph
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Dear Lance, How wonderful to see you here! You don't post often enough, Big Guy, and we have so much to learn from you and to get excited by you!! I guess I really don't know what the struggle of a married Ruthenian Catholic priest candidate is like. Most of our priests up here in the "Northern Kingdom" are married. We're getting an influx of married priests from Ukraine. Everywhere I turn, there is a presbytera hanging on the arm of a priest. Ah, to be young again  What is it like in your Grand Republic? Do you undergo all manner of tension and suffering having to endure roadblocks on the way? Whenever we have a gathering with our monastic Bishop and he starts to get that special squint in his eye when he sees a married priest, the presbytera goes up to him and hugs him. It's all smiles from then on! Perhaps you Ruthenians just have a problem with your approach? Alex
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