The Byzantine Forum
Newest Members
Frank O, BC LV, returningtoaxum, Jennifer B, geodude
6,176 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
2 members (Francis W., EasternChristian19), 593 guests, and 117 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
St. Sharbel Maronite Mission El Paso
St. Sharbel Maronite Mission El Paso
by orthodoxsinner2, September 30
Holy Saturday from Kirkland Lake
Holy Saturday from Kirkland Lake
by Veronica.H, April 24
Byzantine Catholic Outreach of Iowa
Exterior of Holy Angels Byzantine Catholic Parish
Church of St Cyril of Turau & All Patron Saints of Belarus
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics35,524
Posts417,639
Members6,176
Most Online4,112
Mar 25th, 2025
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517
I
Member
Member
I Offline
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517
A Chriostoir, a chara dhil,
Might I suggest presenting the Roman bully with a full-length mirror, to be used when he is debating himself? Since he is obviously the only person whose opinions are worth taking into account, he could probably use the mirror for that purpose fairly often. Perhaps he would also like a tape recorder, so that the could record his own pronouncements and then play them back to himself.
Beannacht De' agus Mhuire ort i gconai! Go mbra'thartha ig Criost,
Incognitus

Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 7,351
Likes: 99
Moderator
Member
Moderator
Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 7,351
Likes: 99
Cearnaigh and my other brethren here:

I posted something awhile back and think that this might be an opportune time to bring it back for further discussion and prayer.

I believe that we need to see how we are already related IN CHRIST rather than trying to make much of how we are divided. I am not advocating religious indifference or straying from the faith. I am asking that we look more closely at the Gospel and the Epistles to find out where the Holy Spirit is calling us to be now and in the future.

https://www.byzcath.org/bboard/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=001648;p=1

My post is at the beginning of page 3.

In Him Who cares for each of us to the last hair on our heads even when we beat each other up,

BOB

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 287
Junior Member
Junior Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 287
All of the Catholic churches in my area have the word ROMAN in front of it. Are these signs wrong?

JoeS confused

<<As I understand it, the term "Roman Catholic" was actually coined by the Anglicans in order to promote their opinion that they were one of the three branches of Catholicism.

The Catholic Church itself does not describe itself as the "Roman" Catholic Church. So why would any self-respecting Catholic want to inflict that term on another Catholic?

Have your bully read this q and a at cin.org for further clarification. >>

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Member
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Dear Neil,

Actually, I wanted to defend my earlier statement about Pope Pius XII . . .

I know that he was a great defender of the Eastern Catholics through those who, especially during the war, were helped by him.

I think that papal statements are important, but that they don't give a comprehensive view of all that a pope does.

So what if Vatican II produced copious statements about "Sui juris" Eastern churches et alia?

How have these well-wishing statements changed the way Eastern Catholic Churches govern themselves?

Have they contributed to a lessening of the Vatican strangle-hold on that?

No, not at all, to be Frank ( wink ).

Judging by the way Rome deals with the UGCC, it is as if the Union of Brest occurred yesterday and Pope Boniface VIII was still alive.

Rome today has many good intentions toward the Eastern Catholic Churches as expressed in statements.

But everything the EC's have are things they must themselves affirm, often in the face of Roman unwillingness to acknowledge for them.

Whether Pope Pius XII called the EC's "Rites" or "Churches" is of lesser consequence than what he DID on their behalf, how he acted in certain situations ie. with respect to Met. Andrew Sheptytsky and his role in spreading Eastern Catholicism throughout Ukraine and Russia.

The Vatican of today is doing all it can to PREVENT Russian Catholics from having their own Eastern jurisdiction.

Pope Pius XII was not cowed by either Soviet communism or by church authorities that served its interests.

It was more to the point that Pius XII considered EC's to be on an exactly equal footing with RC's and treated them accordingly, something the RC churches in Eastern Europe often refused to do.

In that holy Pope's case, I think we need to judge him by his actions, rather than against the backdrop of current Vatican rhetoric on the Eastern Churches that doesn't get implemented into action.

I think you woe Pope Piux XII an apology, Friend.

Now just get down on your knees and . . . ( wink ).

God bless,

Alex

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,134
T
Member
Member
T Offline
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,134
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JoeS:
[QB] All of the Catholic churches in my area have the word ROMAN in front of it. Are these signs wrong?

JoeS confused

There may be some that use it, but I don't think most Catholic Churches do use the word "Roman" in their official names. I always went to churches like Sacred Heart Catholic Church, St. Patrick's Catholic Church, etc. ... very rare to see one which inserts the word "Roman" in the title.

Those who do may be on the defensive for some reason ... also, some of the schismatic SSPX "chapels" make a special point of calling themselves "Roman" Catholic.

(Or perhaps they're just trying to differentiate themselves from the many Byzantine Catholic Churches in your neighborhood. wink )

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Member
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Dear Friends,

Let's remember that "Roman" really does belong to both Latin and Byzantine Churches, as any Oriental Orthodox will tell you wink .

And the Turks ALWAYS referred to the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople as the "Patriarch of the Romans."

I'm proud to be a Roman in more ways than one . . . wink

Alex

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,134
T
Member
Member
T Offline
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,134
Sometimes a little humor can deflect the bully-osity. I just told one of my regular SSPX adversaries in another forum that I think it's time for the SSPX and the "Conciliar" Church to put aside our differences and fight the REAL enemy - the Old Catholics!

And she actually thought that was pretty funny, so maybe she won't punch me. biggrin

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,252
Member
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,252
Quote
Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
Dear Friends,

Let's remember that "Roman" really does belong to both Latin and Byzantine Churches, as any Oriental Orthodox will tell you wink .

And the Turks ALWAYS referred to the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople as the "Patriarch of the Romans."

I'm proud to be a Roman in more ways than one . . . wink

Alex
Dear Alex,

Does this play into the use of �Roum� is in reference to the Byzantine portion of the �Roman� Empire?

I have heard of both Orthodox and Catholic churches of the Byzantine rite that call themselves Roum.

Paul

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Member
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Dear Paul,

You are very correct indeed, Sir!

Orthodox polemicists often make the distinction between the "Romaioi" and the "Roum" as opposed to the Roman Catholics - but it is a semantic one at best.

Alex

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 287
Junior Member
Junior Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 287
What is so wrong in calling a church Roman Catholic? I know the story of why it was used in eary England. I understand that the RCC in early America embraced the term Roman especially in the Irish and Italian communities. Now it seems that the RC's are running away from this term and I dont know why. I personally think that it is a proper term to be used.

There may be another reason that I can think of and that the term "Catholic" minus "Roman" is a declaration that it is the ONLY Catholic church denying the Catholicity of other churches such as the Eastern Orthdox church. But I very well could be wrong in this assessment.

JoeS cool


[There may be some that use it, but I don't think most Catholic Churches do use the word "Roman" in their official names. I always went to churches like Sacred Heart Catholic Church, St. Patrick's Catholic Church, etc. ... very rare to see one which inserts the word "Roman" in the title.

Those who do may be on the defensive for some reason ... also, some of the schismatic SSPX "chapels" make a special point of calling themselves "Roman" Catholic.

(Or perhaps they're just trying to differentiate themselves from the many Byzantine Catholic Churches in your neighborhood. )]

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 2
Junior Member
Junior Member
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 2
I am a conservative latin catholic and I don't think like this man. I believe that both our western and eastern traditions are beautiful and we are all part of the mystical body of Christ. I just wished LR Catholics would practice thier traditions more.

Page 2 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Irish Melkite 

Link Copied to Clipboard
The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. All posts become property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2024 (Forum 1998-2024). All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 8.0.0