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Christos Voskres!

Has anyone ever heard of any video tapes of these Western Rite Orthodox liturgies being made available?

Thanks and Best wishes to all!

Stefan

Stefan,
I did purchase a Western Rite video tape last year from Ebay. It was filmed in a mission parish-- Sts. Peter and Paul, Rehoboth, MA 02769, Phone (508) 252-4443. I haven't seen any on Ebay for quite some time, but if you give them a call, perhaps they have more copies. It was quite interesting--quite a contrast to Eastern Orthodoxy as we in the East are used to worshipping. It would seem that they used a version of the 1928 Anglican BCP. I also found it interesting that the when the time came for communion, the congregation after receiving the host (unleavened) walked up to the altar and drank from the chalice by themselves (no deacon or eucharistic minister was administering the chalice). Shows that the catholic church is truly diverse in rites. If you are interested, I would recommend viewing this tape. I'd offer to copy it for you, but don't have the cables to connect the vcr. Let me know how things turn out.

Christos Voskrese!
Voistinnu Voskrese!
Dan

My understanding is that the hosts are leavened but to such a small degree that they appear unleavened

-Mark

Mark A,

Actually, I heard that they are leavened and then smashed and pressed into flat discs so as to look like western hosts. That way it's canonical with Eastern standards but looks thoroughly Western.

That's what Dave Lewis told me, once.

Marshall

Dear Marshall,

You are correct!

One of the early "names" Easterners would call Westerners was "Azymites" owing to the way they prepared their Communion bread.

As Fr. Meyendorff said, this is a moot point since after the Consecration, there is no more Bread or Wine on the altar . . .

Alex

Hey, Marshall!

I see you've joined the full member club! Congratulations!

Hang in there Mark A, you're almost there.

DL

*picks himself off the ground after having fallen off chair*

Good grief. What kind of Orthodoxy is this when laymen are allowed to touch the chalice routinely?

Probably the Cyril of Jerusalem variety. ;-)

anastasios

I'll tell you what kind of Orthodoxy this is.

It's the kind of Orthodoxy where whole parishes become Orthodox that weren't before. We make mistakes. I don't know what parish these videos are from, but I know we don't do everything right at my parish either.

But I also know that we are getting better. It doesn't happen over night (It's hard to be an immigrant group and adjust to the rules of your new home while maintaining your own customs, isn't it?), but our priests are working hard, and our Bishop and our Vicar General are working with us, and we're slowly figuring out how to do this very difficult thing.

So again, I tell you what kind of Orthodoxy this is:

This is the kind of Orthodoxy where lots of people that weren't a part of the Body of Christ become a part of it. Isn't that exciting?

Not humbly enough, forgive me,

David Lewis

One other thing:

I know that our hierarchs really do take an interest in correcting our mistakes and bringing about some uniformity among the different western parishes. I do not want to claim that we don't make mistakes. Who would want to claim that about their church? We've got more than our share of problems. It's a messy business, but it's exciting.

All I can say is, we are very glad to be under the protection of his grace, Bishop Basil and the Holy Synod of Antioch.

+JMJ+

The problem is, any decent High Church Anglican would not give such a liturgy a passing thought. They would see it as more Protestant in nature than the Low Church Episcopaleans.

If there is going to be an Anglican Usage within the Church (I am reffering to both the Anglican Use and Western Rite Orthodoxy) it needs to be in keeping with those parts of the Anglican Communion that have conformed themselves to the Apostolic Tradition.

This means we need to keep the "Anglican" liturgies in our Churches as close to Apostolic Christianity as possible.

I know several High Church Anglican "priests" who would willingly and happily become members of the Catholic Church or Orthodox Church, but they find that in too many wasy the Church has caved in to the liberals.

Joe Zollars

Joe,

I agree with what you say about adhering to the best elements within the Anglican tradition. I think that the Western Rite Vicariate is taking steps in that direction.

I don't understand what you say about the Church's caving in to liberals. You shouldn't take this one episode to represent all. I don't have much experience with Anglican Use Catholics, but I do know that when a friend of mine wanted to learn about NFP the only people that were teaching it in the area were the Anglican use Catholics.

I guess it depends on what you mean by liberal. Some parishes join because of issues about homosexuality and women's ordination and these are not always the folks with the highest liturgical sensibilities.

This is just a problem that needs to be worked out. Set the standard and require compliance. I believe this is happening and will continue to happen.


DL

Dear David,

I stand rebuked. Please pray for me as we enter into our Lord's Passion and Resurrection this weekend.

Yours in Domino,

Edward

Pray for me, and forgive me,

David Lewis

Thanks everyone! I appreciate the information on this subject,

Christ is Risen!
Stefan-Ivan