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Greetings all.

Has the Church ever condemned chialism as heresy? i have been reading a bit on the subject, and this seems to be hotly debated.

(Pardon if this is the wrong forum... i wasn't sure where this question should go)

Peace,
the_grip

Yes, the Church has definitely condemned the teaching of Chiliadism. "Thou shalt not eat Chillies in any fashion" Just kidding, but not about the condemnation.

"Immediately after death the particular judgement takes place, in which, by a Divine Sentence of Judgement, the eternal fate of the deceased person is decided."

Opposed to the teaching of the Catholic Church is chiliadism or better known as millenarism.
CCC #676 & 677
The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatalogical judgement. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, escpecially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through the final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgement after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.
If you would like to have a further expansion on the above statement I will be more than happy to add a few comments when I have some more time.
Stephanos I

Krystos Razhdaiet' sia! Slavimo Yoho!

Stephanos,

Yes, please - when you have time. As a recent convert, i am struggling to sort things out.

Peace,
the_grip

Okay, quick show of hands here: How many of you had to look up "chialism" to find out what it means? And how many of you had to look up "millenarianism" when you found out that's what "chialism" means?

I've got 2 degrees in theology and I never could keep all that stuff straight --- it all seems so pointless anyway.

Anyway, here's a quick link for summarizing different eschatological views [1stchurch.com] .

Cheers! Penthaetria

Nope did not have to look up either!
:p
Stephanos I
PS Why is it important?
Because, faith is not a matter of personal belief and picking and choosing what and what not to believe but rather a matter of the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Of course you are right about that. But doesn't it seem just a bit -- hmmmmm -- *silly* for people to get worked up about the "correct" view of the eschaton when we don't know when it's going to happen, and no view of it could possibly hold all that God has planned for us? And certain sects of Protestants do get very worked up about it, arming themselves with all sorts of interpretations of various prophecies, etc... I guess they find comfort in "knowing" what's going to happen. For myself, I take great comfort in knowing that God loves me and wants only for me to accept his love and dwell in his house forever.

Early Councils had condemned it (not nessesarily by name but by those groups which held its beliefs) and the Catholic church condems it (CCC)under the term ... mi...

opps.. hold on.. I just noticed Stphanos I answer - and he nails it for ya.

Portions of the Orthodox church have also offcially condemned it in some of its varied forms.

I point and refer you to Stephanos I as very knowledgable on the subject.

-ray

Hi Penthaetria,

I wondered, before clicking on the site, if what you were providing was an Orthodox source. I think Sproul is a Presbyterian.

At the bottom of the site, he lists 4 'MILLENIALISMS' none of which would likely square with any Orthodox thinking on the topic, yeah!?! :-)

I'm not sure to what extent or degree Orthodoxy holds to the literal existence of 'Satan' but however one looks at 'evil' during the ministry of Jesus, He is shown to have defeated the 'enemy' (multiple definitions?) once and for all by His death and resurrection.

As someone else has already pointed out, some non-catholic/orthodox Christians do get worked up over this... and it is silly. Why? because it is neither Biblical NOR Orthodox, right! ;-)

wild goose

Neil and Bob do have a chili recipe in "recipes for Lent" in the Town Hall forum, but I didn't realize chili-ism was a heresy. I have always liked chili. Is this now confessible?

confessible?

just depends on the jalapenyo content!!! Ay chiuaua

ROFL

It is confessible if one is in an enclosed space and one has not taken a Beano.

BOB

Protestants,(of which I still am)tend to get worked up over a lot of hair-splitting stuff, most of which (ultimately)stems from how that person/group/sect interprets the Bible, i.e. literal vs. symbolic and how much "gray area" is there, and yes, some of it can seem rather silly at times.
As for the site mentioned, R.C. Sproul is of the Presbyterian persuasion, PCA (Presbyterian Church of America)I think.

I have read some very impressive Presbyterianns. I can think of a few who have made outstanding contrinutions to scripture study. They seem like a level headed bunch.

Ya!! Presbyterians!

-ray