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HOLY GOD, RESTORE THE TSAR AND HAVE MERCY ON RUS', AMEN!
- Ilya Romanovich


ILYA DONT FORGET. YOU ARE UKI. NOT RUSSIAN. DONT FORGET, EVEN THE TZAR's MADE OUR PEOPLE SUFFER.

HOW DO YOU CHANGE THIS JUNIOR MEMBER GARBAGE.

I'm NOT A JUNIOR

UNLESS A JUNIOR IS FINISHING COLLEGE?

Your status is that of a junior member because you just started posting. If you post more, you'll move up the ranks.

Whoa,

since when are people allowed to tell me who and what I can and can't like.

I am a Tsarist.

I am Canadian.

I am Ilya Roamnovich.

(defend me Jose)

Dear Ukipatr:

Do you mean to tell me that there is some comparison to be made between being ruled by an Orthodox Christian Prince (no matter what his personal faults) and being ruled by the Godless?

Tsarism may not be to everyone�s taste, especially at the beginning of a new century but it cannot compare to what the Godless did to faith, culture, society, and the world, during their accursed rule.

Just sit down with a piece of paper and do some number crunching; write down how many people you think were murdered, enslaved, tortured or imprisoned under the soviets.

I am not saying the Tsars were completely without blame, heaven knows that they made serious mistakes.

But to have anti-religion as an official government policy is just monstrous (please do forget about what was printed on that nice piece of paper called the soviet constitution)

Tsarism today, as I see and believe it to be, is nothing more than the reestablishment of rule by an Orthodox Christian Prince.

I acknowledge that I may be seeing the world through rose coloured glasses, but here I stand.

If you go to Church occasionally you will hear the invocations to Royal Saints, there were if you would care to know quite a few of them.

As to Ukrainian nationalist feelings regarding Tsarism I can understand the thirst for freedom against foreign oppression (I have been personally effected by the same).

If you look at all of the European Dynastic and Ruling Families, you will notice that right down to a man or woman, they are all fully believing Christians.

And in the case of at least four Royal personages, causes for canonization are currently being investigated.


Ukipatr try not to limit yourself to the narrow confines of personal surroundings and experiences, but embrace beauty and goodness wherever you find it.

My Great-Great Granddad... was a Guy named Adam, and my Great-Great Grandmummy... was a Woman named Eve (come to think of it we may be related?)

In between I am or have been

Azorean
Portuguese
Canadian
Catholic

And I have legitimately adopted through a deep love and affection, personal or family affiliation, the following personas:

Orthodox Christian
Russian
Austrian
Hawaiian
American
Brazilian

Understand that these things do not limit me in the slightest and only broaden my person.


I hope that I have not been over bearing in any of statements and I ask forgiveness if I have offended anyone.

Dear Ukipatr my sincere prayer is that you, your family, and friends have a Blessed and Holy Pascha.

May God and the Holy and Noble Saints of Rus-Ukraine and all the Nations Bless You.


I too can be what I wish to be,

I am a Tsarist.

I am Canadian.

I am Jose J. de Freitas-Lopes.


(is that enough of a defense Ilya?)

perfect.

thank you Jose.


Ilya

In commemoration of this event I am changing my avitar.

A picture truly is worth a thousand words.

I concur with Ilya. I will also change my avatar to commemorate this momentous event, as well as the 102nd Anniversary of the publication of the Irmologion by the Lviv Stauropegial Brotherhood.

Daniil

May God give blessed repose to those who have labored to compile the Irmologion, and bless those who continue to use it, a treasury of our holy musical heritage.

It's just a shame that Znamenny, Bulharski, the podobny, samopodobny, etc. and much of that music is unknown in our churches today. Through the prayers of St. Andrey Sheptytsky (who blessed and funded the compilation of the Irmologion) may God have mercy on us.

I also changed my avatar to St. Leonid Federov of St. Petersburg who never ceased to commemorate the Orthodox Christian royal house in his Divine Liturgies, Vespers and Matins.

DEAR ILYA AND JOSE

I was not trying to make the impression that i was telling anyone to think in a certain way or like one thing. Just making a reminder. My point was that Ukrainains are not Russians and comments like the one Ilya is making could make some non-informed, non-Ukrainains believe that Russia and Ukraine is the same thing. I am just sick of trying to explain to people that they are different.

Another point. READ A LITTLE HISTRY AND YOULL FIND OUT THAT MOST LIKELY YOUR ANCESTORS WERE ENSLAVED UNDER SURFDOM.

DO YOU KNOW WHO TARAS SHEVCHENKO IS?

READ HIS POEMS THEN YOULL KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.

OK, Enough of that. ILYA, did you read my first post. Im serious bout my question and comments. if you want reply to it, itll be interesting and inciteful for me.

Again no hard feelings, I also am entitled to an oppinion.
I had to say something cause my ancestry was tragic under circumstances under Tzarism My GreaGreat Great etc Grandfather was a Zaporizhian "sotnyk". Half of the family was wiped out.

Again, not trying to be an A-- H---!

I am a greco catholic pro orthodox person! Im talking Ukrainain Orthodoxy and Petro Mohyla!
(by the way, he was Moldovan, who loved his homeland and Ukraine, for those who question my hitorical knowledge)

Utverdy Bozhe Sviatu Pravoslavnu Viry na Viky Vikiv!

UKIPATR

I forgot to make an important point in my debate.


REAL CHRISTIANS DO NOT ENSLAVE AND KILL PEOPLE. TZARS DID. PERIOD.

Actually,
a large brach of my family moved to Saint Petersburg from Galicia because they were faithful to the Tsar. They still live there and we are still quite close.

ilya

Ukipatr,

I too do not venerate the Romanov royal family for the simple fact we have so many great saints/martyrs in our own history as Ukrainians. The Romanovs did have their flaws and I do not think they were the best for Ukraine, but they were good stewards of Orthodoxy. I haven't read too much on them to comment too much.

I wouldn't go so far myself to say restore the Tzar. I'd say, Restore the Kozak Hetmante!!!

-uc

THERE YOU GO!
KOZAK HETMANATE!

Hey, I agree the Romanovs were good stewards for orthodoxy (hey, there's a whole tonal system and chant written just for them).

the main thing here is LETS CREATE A UKRAINIAN PATRIARCHATE.

WE DESERVE IT! Hey, if it wasnt for Kyiv and Prince Volodymyr's decision to accept orthodoxy, all of eastern Europe would have been muslim, jewish, or western catholic! Kyiv is the center of Slavic Spirituality and Orthodoxy

UKRPATER

Dear Ilya Romanovich,

Sorry for coming back to this thread so late . . .

As a monarchist, I've no problems with you being one.

I've no problem with the veneration of the Romanov Martyrs either.

I just believe there is no political place in Ukraine for the Muscovite Tsars - if you come across a Ukrainian patriot who thinks there is, please contact me right away!

St Nikolai (all right, let it be as you say!) Charnetsky and St Basil Velichkovsky could truly be said to be a "Uniate fifth column" as Brian-Seraphim noted earlier.

They certainly did "dress the part" and wrote the part.

And they truly did "bring over" Orthodox into union with Rome.

St Basil Velichkovsky makes mention of five such converts from Orthodoxy who died as martyrs for Rome and whose cause for canonization he introduced at Rome (including three Pochaiv Monks).

There is really no question that they donned the most Orthodox of vestments and liturgical rubrics to spread the Unia.

Their mission was NOT about ecumenical understanding, but about conversion.

Alex