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Orginally posted by Sam: ???? That is a ridiculous argument!
So what if she can? That would mean they can pull the tube and be legally forced as a nursing facility to feed her orally, rather than pulling the tube and refusing to feed her orally?
He is right. It will be somewhat painless- through drugs. They will probably give her morphine suppositories as her body temperature starts to rise from lack of fluid. The morphine will depress her respirations and she will die from respiratory/cardiac arrest.
Sam, I never said I believe what the priest said to be true. All I said was that this is horrible, legally sanctioned murder of an innocent. This was the point Father Paul was trying to get across in his homily. For whatever reasons, she is denied the Eucharist. Logos Teen
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Teen,
Don't misunderstand me. I believe what you wrote and what the priest said. I think it is ridiculous to refuse a dying woman Communion based on that argument.
I am not for "Mercy Killing" in any way. I am just saying that it is becoming increasingly popular in our culture for a number of twisted reasons, among them the lack of respect for the sanctity of life.
I hope Terry's Bill moves quickly enough to save her!
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If I might share:
What disturbs me most is that I had a cousin who was in a terrible accident a few years back. She was basically a bloody pulp of a person in a coma. She wasn't expected to emerge from it and if she did, she was expected to be quite damaged. She relied upon machines to live. She wasn't conscious, she couldn't eat, she couldn't swallow, she couldn't breathe. Her mother packed a black dress when she caught the plane to be at her side.
Her doctor quite wisely said that it was time to start praying for her in a big way as the days and weeks passed and that no one should give up on her because unconscious people are a mystery. (He had years of experience with head trauma and coma patients.) He said he didn't want to see anyone give up. I kept asking my brother - he's a doctor, too - if there was any hope, really, scientifically. He wisely told me that there is always hope and that he prays for the patients in his hospital every day. He and another doctor say the rosary daily. He said if you approached medicine without a sense of hope then you probably weren't a very good doctor.
Dozens of people prayed for her. My SFO friends prayed for her. My friends prayed for her. A Catholic priest prayed for her. An Orthodox priest prayed for her. Some monks I know prayed for her. Her whole family prayed for her. Her doctor prayed for her.
The end result? My cousin is alive. She is well. She has some migraine-like headaches. At first, she had a little trouble remembering, but that passed. Other than that, she's recovered. She didn't suffer any of the terrible side effects the text books said she probably would suffer.
And the "weird" part? She "woke up" on Easter.
Sure there is a scientific explanation for all of this. But I figure God is the one who came up with all those "rules of nature" and of science. God still works wonders, despite some of mankind's "worst efforts" to thwart good. I am brought to tears by the thought of Teri Schiavo's parents and their suffering. By taking away her sustenance - IMHO one of those "worst efforts" - much of their hope has been robbed.
I can't buy into the idea that there is any such thing as "euthanasia" - that there is any such thing as allowing a "good death." I visited the Holocaust Museum a couple years ago and read one of those letters from the Third Reich to doctors about how to deal with mentally ill people. They made it sound like killing them was good for them. It sounded like the same language I hear people use today when they say they "want to help the person who is beyond hope" and "allow them to die."
It's all so hearbreaking.
Sorry for the long post.
I'll be quiet now.
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More on the bill discussed above:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-fschiavo21xoct21,0,23471,print.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines
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This is how twisted and disfigured our society has become. Those who are supposed to love each other (man and wife, remember until "death do us part"?) wish to slowly starve to death the other. And not only is the Church left out of this, She is forbidden to even grant the poor lady the Holy Mysteries by "the authorities".
And especially disturbing are reports in the news that Terri's husband is already engaged or plans to soon be engaged to be married to another woman.
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Just heard Governor Bush ordered the feeding tube to be put back in!
Good news
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Sam:
thank you for the update! that is good news indeed! hope it's not too late.
Annie:
I am going to re-read your incredibly moving and wonderful post ... first wished to thank you for writing all that. That is really quite something.
Communion of Saints
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Yes - it's even been on UK TV lunch time news as well  Fantastic - but I hope they take it slowly with regard to re-hydrating Terri. And is it too much to hope, and pray for, that they start some active treatment now ? Anhelyna
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You know today while I was reading World Net Daily, I was aware of the strong spiritual connection with the fact they both the govenor and president were dealing with prolife at the same moment. Euthenasia and Partial Birth Abortion, two terrible offences to God and man, a blow has been struck to the heel of satan. One Catholic, one Prostestant, the Church stood as one in Christ. We may just have seen the turning of the tide for America, but we have so far to go.
GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST AND PEACE TO HIS PEOPLE ON EARTH!
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Prayer Need: Terri Schiavo could be killed by the end of this month (February, 2005) because the Florida courts have struck down the law that saved her. There are some appeals, but they have so far been thwarted. Here is a link to the news: http://www.lifenews.com/bio696.html Here is a link to the website about her case: http://www.terrisfight.org This is esepcially appalling in light of a story about a woman who woke up from a 20 year coma and started talking: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050213/D887B94G0.html God have mercy. --John
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May the LORD Who brought Terri into being...bring her to a greater quality of life and sustain her with His grace and tenderness! May the Most Holy Mother of God be near her and bring her more and more to her Son, Our Blessed Lord!
O Lord Who in the course of time brought Terri into being, give her the faith and hope necessary to live a life as full as possible...so that she can pray and give thanks to You now and forever! Give her the warmth of Your love through her family and friends...that will bring her to life within and care for her with gentleness and compassion. Increase Your gifts of faith and trust in You---that she may grow in grace and holiness all her days...and in the end...be she be happy with You in Eternity forever! Most Holy Mother of God be near her and console you now and always!
In His great love for each and everyone of us,
+Fr. Gregory
+Father Archimandrite Gregory, who asks for your holy prayers!
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Renewed prayers for Terri.
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http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles5/SchindlerTerri.shtml http://www.terrisfight.org/ I have friends that are very close to this situation, and the tragic thing is the Schindlers have been absolutely abandoned by the RC bishop and the clergy of their diocese. I'm not one to rush to judgement about clergy, but the bishop has specifically directed his priests not to even bring up this issue in their parishes, in addition to other directives which leave the Schindlers out in the cold. They even have to resort to receiving pastoral care from priests who are not from their diocese! (this was also mentioned in a recent Catholic World report.) This is a disgrace, and has become a real battlefront in the war against the culture of death. Please pray for Terri and her family - and for the conversion of her Lutheran husband and apostate Greek Orthodox attorney. Peace - Gordo PS: Michael Schiavo might pull her feeding tube tomorrow.
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