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That is definately true :p

That is true, the faithful have done everything they can to protect them from "remodelation". In many places they have protested against the removal of the saints and the altars from their churches.

The newly built churches of the RC here, are very much like those of the USA. This started in the 70's, when many of the beauteful baroque temples were replaced by works of modern architecture (ex. The Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe)

Here I have never seen people kneeling when they receive communion.

sorry for my typos ,or maybe I can't spell

anyway,I didnot mean for this to get out of hand.I surely hope that the orthodox church in mexico prospers and that the people there may have access to the precious baody and blood of our savior.

Hello:

I think I will disagree with this.

A 18th Century Mexican Catholic was used to a Church that respected his/her cultural identity, including religious music and art.

A Church loyal to the Pope of Rome.

A Church with an ardent, vibrant missionary spirit.

A Church that was *the* social force to be reckoned.

A Church ready to respond to the social, econonic and political situations of its time.

A Church that celebrated an Ecumenical Council a little over two Centuries before and that would celebrate another one before the end of the following Century.

A Church capable of producing leaders who were willing to oppose the totalitarian government of their time and start the quest for Independence, even if the cost was their own life.

No, I don't think the 18th Century Mexican Catholics would feel confortable with the Orthodox Church. Perhaps that is the reason why there was not an Orthodox Church in the 18th Century Mexico.

Shalom,
Memo.

No offence, but it may really rile up the Romans as well. :p

Dear Qathuliqa and Two Lungs,

Actually, His Beatitude HAS been acting like a good Patriarch, but St Petersburg is outside his jurisdiction.

He appoints and consecrates our new bishops - doesn't rely on Rome to do it for him nor is it any big deal to our bishops if they aren't consecrated by the Pope .

He has instituted a new feast of the translation of the relics of St Nicholas Charnetsky - something only Rome alone did in the fact.

And when made a Cardinal, he gave a big yawn and put his ring in his pocket, saying he'll put it on NEXT time he's in Rome.

Sounds like a good Eastern CAtholic Patriarch to me!

But I'll mention the bishop thing when I see him next month, O.K.?

Alex

Dear Mor Ephrem:

Not that much really, for as long as the Ukrainians can wait for the Vatican to give the green light to another patriarchate.

AmdG

Dear Amado,

With all due respect, we Ukies have smartened up a bit and now don't wait for Vatican green lights.

Currently, we're in the business of running the yellow lights.

Alex

Dear Alex:

Just be extra alert!

Undercover Vatican police might catch you in the act.

Those yellow lights can turn into red real fast nowadays.

AmdG

Well... you know what yellow lights mean: Hurry up and get through!!!!

Dear Alex,

Jurisdiction depends, of course, on whether he is Patriarch of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, or the Patriarch of Kyiv and all 'Rus.

Or the Patriarch of Kyiv and all 'Rus and also all non 'Rus.

Dear Mor Ephrem,

You are right. It would rile up the Romans as well, but a good uprising might change attitudes all around!

Have a Blessd Day!!!

John
Pilgrim and Odd Duck

The religious music was at that time still the music of composers like Victoria, Padilla, Hernandez and other who were loyal to the choral chant and the school of that tradition. That was the religious music, a monument to the religious piety and devotion shared by both East and West.

Yeah that's true :rolleyes:

... and their excommunication :p

There was no Orthodox Church because I don't think it was needed at that time, and also because the laws stated that the only religion permitted was the RC Church and forbid the practice of any other religion.

Orthodox catholic,are you Orthodox not in communion with rome?kinda sound like it

I like your style!