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http://www.womencentral.msn.com/homefood/articles/ltvhomefood1.asp

Top ten women of all time and Mother Teresa is left out. I guess thats because she wasn't a feminist, liberal, or an abortion rights activist.

Dear Columcille,

Now I'm really surprised at you.

Mother Teresa belonged to an organization that has historically repressed women's role in society, simultaneously retarding the struggle for the realization of world-wide liberated sisterhood and denouncing the advanced initiatives of the United Nations, UNESCO and all other similar socially-progressive organizations in the forefront of female emancipation in the effort to regain biological control over their own bodies, minds and hairstyles!

And that rosary she wore clashed with the rest of her outfit.

Case closed . . .

Alex

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Alex-

That was great I needed a chuckle this morning, thank you.

Columcille

Another reason ?

She was not American -- but neither were a lot of great women who worked for the good of others.

Dear Columcille and Angela,

I wanted to share with you that I knew an Anglican Catholic Canon whose parish was smack in the little of downtown poor Toronto.

He did a lot of social outreach, food baskets and what have you, a really wonderful priest who, as an Anglican, said the Rosary before each Eucharist, sprinkled Holy Water over everyone, had the Stations of the Cross, genuflected incessantly and even commemorated the Pope ahead of the Archbishop of Canterbury!!

Mother Teresa actually paid him a visit in person when she was here years ago and he has a picture of her sitting with him in his study, a picture he always carries with him. (Steve, you know all about this, so you can go to another thread now ).

He communicated with her for years afterwards and the two of them would keep each other informed of their efforts on behalf of the poor.

When Mother Teresa got very sick once, the Canon told me it was because she personally ate what the poor of India ate in the streets.

A living saint and now a Saint in Heaven!

Rome's official canonization will only confirm what everyone already knows!

Alex

Dear Columcille,

That link (I've never heard of half of those women) makes it clear that the women on it are being celebrated for what they did for America and its people. Mother Teresa didn't do anything for America other than serve its poor like she served the poor of other countries...oh, that and she served to tell Americans about the horror of abortion.

Now why would any red-blooded, middle-class American agree with serving others and protecting the lives of the unborn?

I find the following quote telling:

Why we celebrate her: She became a wife and mother at a young age, but Madeleine Albright never swerved from the path of educating and bettering herself.

Apparently, being a wife and mother, even at a young age, keeps and/or makes you ignorant and prevents you from being "better".

The spiritual poverty which Mother Teresa warned Americans about is getting worse by the second.


P.S. To all those who might think me a male chauvinist, in saying these things, I don't think I'm being any more demeaning to women than Mother Teresa.

Seems like a pretty interesting list to me. Dr. Albright is, of course, a fellow Slav, and Dolores Huerta is a devout Catholic. Several of the other women mentioned were or are active Christians as well.

I find it sad some people can only criticize rather than be an example of Christian joy.

K.

Dear Kurt,

If I was any more joyful than I already am today, I'd be dangerous!

But you are right - a number of the American ladies on the list are either devout Christians or devout members of their cultural group with a social conscience - nothing wrong with that.

And it is a specifically American list.

Cheer up, we love you to death, Big Guy!

Alex

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In fantasizing, I thought about what would be on my coat of arms if I were a bishop. I decided:

More evil exists in this world as a result of thoughtlessness than as a result of malice.

Regarding those who compiled the list: they're just thoughtless.

And it's not a liberal/conservative thing. I consider myself a fiscal very conservative (NO credit cards at all -- SAVE! and cash on the barrelhead) but a social liberal -- help everybody who is in need, no matter what.

Blessings!

Hi,

If you look at what CNA's are paid then you know why Mother Teresa wasn't on that list.Its minimum wage job. Isn't it ironic there are Hierarchs and even some women in our Church who hold high administrative positions in different dioceses, no will remember them. But, a little woman who spent most of her lifetime cleaning up the vomit,urine & crap of dying people is a household name. I love it!

Nicky's Baba

PS I've helped in a soup kitchen and Dr. John you always can't help someone no matter what.Sometimes the best help is to let them suffer or the ACLU says they have the right to engage in self destructive behavior.Their loved ones right is to stand by and watch helplessly.
Blessings back at ya.

Well, I wouldn't take the list too seriously.

It's clear foolish individuals compiled it. A cabal of dimbulbs who in true Orwellianspeak imply that the baby killer of Iraq, who outdoes the butcher Jamal Pasha quite nicely in his work, is compassionate, are not worth anyone's time.

They must either be lying, blind, or mad.

I'm surprised the Ice Queen didn't show up on that list either.

In IC XC
Samer

I agree with the Baba's perspective. (Otherwise, if I disagree with Babas, I'm dead meat!) It is clear that each person has the right to do whatever he or she decides. And the ACLU will agree.

BUT! If I am family or clergy or friend or fellow-parishoner, then I have the right to intervene. And I will confront the 'system' and DEMAND that the person be given the best care available. While I appreciate the 'rights' of the sick, I know for a fact that as a result of the illness, the individual will oftentimes 'make decisions' that are just irrational. And it is then that we, their loved ones, have to intervene. My Mom almost died as a result of "she refused the medications"; despite the fact that she had had a stroke and thought that I, her son, was her older, deceased brother.

This is pro-life that often times is off the radar screen.

Get in there; DEMAND answers; request tests and interventions; ask questions; be there 24/7 or as close to that as possible; and MANDATE the highest quality of life possible. It is thus that we allow the disabled elderly to live their lives with the most dignity and self-possession available to them. It's not a matter of doctrine or Church discipline -- it's not on their radar screen. But for those who confront the reality, it is the essential element of our mandate to "love our neighbors". When I am out of town for work (no recourse!), then I ask my brethren to come and visit and watch her and report back to me on what they've seen. And then I call the 'authorities' and tell them what needs to be done. It is true caring and service.

Blessings!

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Can I assume the Ice Queen refers to the nice Methodist lady who's Senatorial fundraising committee I had the honor of serving on?

Kurt

Dear Dr. John,

As someone who recently received a personal coat of arms from the Crown for my community work (strange but true ), what would the symbols on your arms as bishop be?

My arms has the Star of Vergina for Alexander the Great with a fleur de lis in the centre, with three honeybees at the top, differenced with royal blue and gold, with a griffon at the top holding a red Cross patte on top of a coronet.

What would you have?

Alex

A boat (because I grew up on the New England coast) and because Christ seemed to like them a lot.

A mountain, because my grandfather was born in a mountain village and was a sheep and goat herder before coming to the U.S.

A dog, because they love us unconditionally and want to earn our favor and love. Just like we humans should be doing in our relationship with Christ.

A book. Because I have more letters after my name than in it as a result of the 'groves of Academe'. And always 'learning' keeps one humble because the more one learns, the more one realizes how ignorant one is.

The whole quadrant structure should be surrounded in ivy because I love plants and flowers.

And surmounted by an equal-bar Greek Cross, because the Cross is our salvation.

OK?

(Mines not from a Queen, but from my fertile mind.)

Love ya! (And is there anything Ukie in your coat of arms? If not, I'd place either mushrooms or cabbages around the outside!!!)

Blessings!