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I am new to this site. I discovered it while searching for byzantine churches in my area. Just moved from the north and missing my church. I am currently looking for other ukranian byzantines in the Winston-Salem area. Anyone else out there?
Tari

Tari,

Welcome to the Forum. This page might help you in your search.
Eastern Catholic Churches in North Carolina [crosslink.net]

I think that there's someone here from NC, but am blanking at the moment.

Many years,

Neil

Dear Neil:

You have your "senior moments," too?

She's "Ladyhawke," I think.

Amado

Amado, my brother,

Do I have "senior moments"? Me?

umm, uhh, I dunno. (Just got an invite to the 40th reunion of my Jesuit high school class, that put me in mind of my mortality :rolleyes: )

You're absolutely right. It is Ladyhawke and, btw, also Glenn, who just posted on the Kerry thread a few days ago. (I just thought to go search the directory - not bad for an old guy, huh?).

How have you been my friend? We haven't exchanged posts in a while.

Many years,

Neil

Dear Neil:

I'm OK.

Congratulations on your 40th! (I'm beginning to feel old, likewise. :p )

We, Jesuit (Philippines) alumni in Chicagoland, last week had our gathering here at the Cathedral Church (Holy Name) of the Archdiocese with a presentation of a choral group from the "old country."

After the event, my school group (one of 7 run by the SJ in the Phil.) had our separate dinner get-together and allowed me to celebrate my 40th. I am the only one in Chicago belonging to Class '64 of our own school. Other classmates I know are in CA and NY. Majority are back "home."

I went to high school with an older relative of U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, the "author" of the now-famous report on "prisoner abuse" at the Baghdad confinment facility.

Amado

This information is about 16 years old, but you might check at the Center for Development Polich, Research Triangle Institute, North Carolina, for Dr. Oleh Wolowyna. If he's still there, he will know what else is going on in North Carolina. I believe the Ruthenians have something somewhere in that neck of the woods.
Christ is Risen!
Incognitus

The parish I belong to is Sts Cyril and Methodius in Cary (Raleigh) (even though I live in New York). About a two hour drive from Winston-Salem; certainly possible to make it once a month or so there.

Liturgy is at 10 am there if I recall correctly.

anastasios

I didn't know anastasios was a Ukie Catholic!

Christ is risen!

He and his parish are Ruthenian.

Our parish has many Ukrainians who attend it, though

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a Ruthenian?

JoeS

Dear JoeS:

Are your serious?!

You mean to say you joined THIS board (much earlier than most of us here) without investigating who or what "byzcath" is?

I'm afraid the Admin has a lot of explaining to do! :p

Amado

Glory to Jesus Christ!

It�s a good question, we like to pull each other�s chains here.

It helps to put it into an historical context. I hope I explain this right!

Ruthenian was a basically western term used to refer to the East Slavic people generally who were involved in the church union concluded 400 years ago at Brest, which was then in Poland. Their culture was basically Kyivan-Rus in origin and their languages were essentially Belarussian and Ukrainian.

Fifty years later a similar agreement was reached south of the Carpathian mountains at Uzhorod, then in the Hungarian kingdom. These people were also regarded as Ruthenians. Their nationality was Rusyn, also an east-Slavic people related to the Belarussians and Ukrainians. The Rusyn lands today are unevenly split between Ukraine, Slovakia and Hungary and probably could be a country the size of Switzerland if it were independent. Many of the Rusyn people have assimilated into the cultures around them so there are Slovaks, Hungarians, Croatians who are also considered Ruthenian today. There were also Byzantine minorities of these nations who would not have been originally Rusyn.

As time progressed the kingdom of Poland was reduced in stages to a much smaller size and eventually dissolved. Czarist Russia suppressed the Union as it overtook each locality. The Austro-Hungarian empire seized western Ukraine from Poland and tolerated the Ruthenian churches there and in Hungary.

During the great migrations of the 19th and early 20th century many of the �Greek-Catholics� established parishes in the USA and Canada. Eventually Rome established two hierarchies for the Ruthenian church in the USA, one organized for the Ukrainian community and one for the Rusyn community. It is the Rusyn �based church that is still called Ruthenian. In the USA the Ruthenian Metropolia is more often called simply the Byzantine Catholic Church by the public.

Michael

Coalesco,

Thank you for that explaination. I have heard all sorts of explainations as to who the Ruthenians were. I know there is no country called "Ruthyn" so I needed to ask the question. I was told it was a latin version of Russian, but now I know that it is a group of countries with a similar Slavic cultures.

JoeS

Dear-in-Christ JoeS,

Christ is risen!

In the last travel guides I bought for Slovakia in the '90s there was a section devoted to Ruthenia. I tend to believe that even in this millenium it would be the same.

My old standard is the google.com search. If you run a google search on Ruthenia [google.com] you get this. If you run a google search on Ruthenian [google.com] you get this. Both seem to have plenty of links that potentially can be helpful.

Tony