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that is a surprise, Amnesty coming out for these men.the track record of what I call ecumanics when it comes to the defense of Christian believers is as a rule dismal. it seems that compromise with those who persecute Christians at any cost is de riguer. by ecumanics I also mean those who never want to offend in the name of political correctness, who probably will never have a good night's sleep until there is some semblance of a world religion where to just believe in something, anything, regardless of the claims of Truth just so there will be peace. when His Holiness made his reference to Emperor Manuel ll's remarks on Islam, the context was ignored, and it was off to the races with our Muslim "brothers and sisters" torching churches, shooting down elderly Nuns, and the rest of it all. Christians need to act more assertively for the right of believers, drive liberalism from within our midst,and ignore political correctness. there is too much hail fellow well met attitudes in our midst, too much navel gazing. those men are martyrs, they acted, they did something in defense of their fellow Christians who have for too long been robbed, beaten, raped, murdered, and denied basic human rights from the paws of Muslim fanatics. what would you have done if it had been you and your families? it is so easy to sit there in your comfort zones and follow the case of these men, shed a few tears, and then when I speak up, you criticize. Islam is a religion straight from Hell, we need to reach the Muslims with the Gospel of Christ, but at the same time, we cannot sit here idly, nor can we expect Amnesty or any one else to come to the rescue of our brothers and sisters in Christ.it is up to us, folks.
Much Love,
Jonn

Dear John you said:

I say:

Actually I believe that the three men were not executed before because the Pope asked the government officials not to. When Pope Benedict offended the Muslims by quoting the Emporor, it seems the officials then decided to execute them.

You said:
I say:

It depends on what you mean by acting more assertive. If you mean start insulting their religion, etc., etc., then I disagree. If you mean though that we should start marching with signs and in force to show that we are offended by their actions, then I agree. Look, they can do it, why not us?

The Pope spoke about the sacrifices of the nun that was killed. Before she died she asked God to forgive them for they know not what they do. Now that should have been all over the media and throughout the world in the newspapers. It would have shown the difference between Christianity and Islam. Yet I don't think it was mentioned anywhere.

Zenovia

I am in general agreement with the spirit of your post, Zenovia. the fact that the men were executed after His Holiness' comments failed to surprise me. how convenient for those who ordered the execution. and yes, letting our voices be heard loud and clear, whether it concerns Christians (of any tradition)in Indonesia, Sudan or anywhere else needs to be done. be it far from this EC to call for any crusade involving violence, but I still hold to my opinion of Islam, I just want to see Muslims to be able to escape that darkness and come into His marvelous light.Jesus Christ died for them as He did for us. I am descended from Frederick Barbarossa (on my late Prussian Granny's side) who did lead a crusade, but being an EC, and someone with a historical sense, there is still the sack of Constantinople that would temper my more militant side.
Much Love,
Jonn