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I don't understand the Muslim apologists among the Christians of the West. For 1300 years Muslims have given Jews and Christians a choice as they press to conquer land presently lived in by Christians "Convert, pay tribute, or be killed". There is nothing new in this and it is still going on today in many places of the world. It's just that Lebanon and Israel are at the center of the latest conquests. I'm not sure what can be done but to support this is unconscienable.

See this clip for one more piece of evidence: http://americancongressfortruth.com/

Clicl on the film at the left side of the page.

CDL

And its called "Dhimmi."

Yes, I know. Much has been written about this false religion and the terrible way they have treated others for some time now. I'm not in favor of killing people in order to "convert" them but I'm not a pacifist and I do believe we need to send missionaries to them and resist their violent advances. Every so often someone comes on this forum and castigates anyone who says anything negative about the bad behavior of the Islamic radicals. They insist that either we deserve the bad treatment or that the radicals are justified in their behavior. I don't understand their point of view.

I'm glad that whenever this happens others quickly come to our defense including our administrator.

CDL

There are a few things I would add. One, it is unfortunate that when people rightly point out that there is a great deal of evil being done in the name of Islam, they get accused of bigotry towards all Muslims-that is not fair. Another thing I think we must keep in mind is to be careful in our speech by acknowledging that we do not view the many Muslims who take great offense at the evil that is being done in the name of their faith in the same way as we view those who are doing the killing of non-Muslims and calling for the subjugation of the entire world to Islam. I would lastly point out that, if we are to be deemed credible, we must also condemn the evil that has been/is done in the name of Christ.

Ryan

This is christopher's friend, Charbel Touma a christian from Lebanon, i would like to tell you that you were right about what used to happen in the islamic nations, but lebanon is a different case. Whenever you say the word lebanon u dirrectly start thinking of fighting for land or fighting for the domination of a certain religion. Christian vs.muslims vs. druze vs. syria vs. israel vs people among the same religion..... this war lasted for 15 years as u know and israel ended up taking part of our land ( the shibaa gardens). Now, what hezbollah is doing is trying to take back our land and they are actually defending the lebanese (muslims and christians). you might say that hezbollah started the conflict or war (between u and me, the war was gonna start anyway). The problem is people are listening to israeli propaganda where israel is obviously controlling american media. You would always say "oh, poor israel", but since when was it called israel...this is a palestinian land. i would like u to also watch this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696&q=israel+propaganda it talks about this stuff. anyways, lebanon should return as peaceful as it was, but im still waiting for israel to get the hell out of our land (and im waiting for the people to stop listening to such nonsense and wipe crocodile tears. ill be always here for further update.
oh one more thing, Brigitte is not a lebanese christian (for me), i thought that christians are supposed to pray for their enemy and love their neighbors.
Charbel Touma

This is the same charbel from the reply above...I just wanted to add one more Question. Why would israel bomb in my christian village in north of lebanon which is 100% christian...do we also have hezbollah? lol of course not, that is the point, ur beloved israel needs more land
so ask yourself...why? why? why?

P. S. from Criostoir:
You say you don't trust Moslem apologists. I don't either, But why do you trust Zionist apologists? There's got to be someone out there criticising Islam who criticises Israel too.

The lebanese government has revoked Brigitte Gabriel's (American Congress For Truth creator) citizenship for good reason. Brigitte Gabriel is a frequent guest of The Greater Philadelphia District of the Zionist Organization of America. Although she tells some truth about Islam, she does not give any deep CONSTRUCTIVE understanding of their flaws. She's not a peace maker she is a war starter. More importantly she lies about the advantages of Israeli culture and gives a false impression of the Israeli government as being very pro-christian.

Do not trust extreme right or extreme left organizations for news and views.

Trust L'Osservatore Romano the Vatican Newspaper.
Or your Byzantine Equivalent.

Glory To Jesus Christ Forever.

The reporter in the initial post is not a Zionist or an Israeli. She is a Lebanese Christian. Apparently Christians don't all agree on the events in the Middle East.

CDL

I don't know what's going on over there, I only know what I've heard, which media puts a slant on everything. I just know for sure that everytime a muslim does something wrong, people are up in arms but when it is a jew, it is soooo wrong to say anything bad. Even in the U.S. it is okay to slam the Christians but NEVER say anything about a Jew!!!!!!!!! At least the muslims acknowledge Christ was more than just a man!!!!!!!

That has not been my experience.

CDL

I love it when Brigitte Gabriel claims to be a Lebanese Christian, leaving everyone the impresion she is a Maronite Christian, when in fact she is the daughter of a convert to American evengelica,l six-day creation, rapture-ready, pro-zionist Christianity. ...Come on this isn't Catholic Or Orthodox this is political propaganda...get it off of this forum..

Oh, the woes of this world!

We are not at war with Islam! At least I hope we're not.

We are at war with extremists!

I believe we have created a war that surpassed necessity before it even started. It has spawned even more extremists and at the very least, sympathizers.

Muslims have held the keys to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre/Resurrection for how many years now?

And why?

To keep the peace between Christians.

Go figure.

Lord have mercy,
Bill

Glory to Jesus Christ! Glory Forever!

There are different opinions about the situation of the middle east. I have met a variety.

The story I get most consistantly from our Catholic brethern in the middle east it that Islam is not the problem. The problem is politics.

Can't we in America see that Christianty suffers when we align ourselves with the unjust aggression of the secular state? When will we learn?

Christianity teaches us charity. However, it seems that we cannot allow this to take root. As Americans, it is time we pull out of the idea that Our Country is going to liberate the middle east. Only Christ will bring peace to the middle east. Not America, Not Syria, Not Israel, not Hezbollah.

As an American, I am not sure what I can do. I will tell you this though, the time has come for us to stop demonizing those in the middle east who are reactionary and will give even thier own lives to 'by any means remove any unjust oppressor from the land.'

We, as Christians have to support only the mosy humble, most charitable, most God-fearing, and most holy example of the Christian life. That is, we have to support only The Charity of Christ to the Middle East.

Talking about islam will not bring us any good anyway. I suggest that we should start solving our problems and conflicts within christianity, and let us start working for Unity. All i know is that when you talk about islam and terrorism, you would forget that some of you christians are siding with America/Israel which is the worse than islamic terrorism. What do muslims have? NOTHING....What does America/Israel have? Weapons of mass destruction, so please start avert your attention to the worse.

Charbel,

Our prayers for you, your family and your beloved country of Lebanon. May it be restored in peace!

It seems that Lebanon has become a pawn of interests, both radical Zionist and Islamic. As Christians of the New Covenant, we cannot accept the Old Covenant provision of land as being determinative of the secularist state of Israel's right to expand its territory. If the many within Evangelicalism who hold to that notion really took it seriously, they would work to see Israel's borders extend even into Mecca, which was part of the original covenant grant, I believe.

At the same time, I cannot tolerate anyone who would call for the destruction of our elder brothers and sisters in the faith, and, if I read Baat Y'eor correctly, some elements of Palestinian Christianity have been heavily Islamicized/Marcionized. Islamic ideology, particularly in its radical form, is a key issue, as it has been for centuries across the Middle East.

God's blessings,

Gordo