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Are these people all on dope?! I am truly speechless.

Lawrence,

I think the generation LT sees as saving the Church and the MTV generation of aliens that you see are two separate groups of people. I think there is a very strong, orthodox group of younger Catholics. In my experience, it is those over sixty (like my parents) who wish we still had the old liturgy. I would include fifty year olds in the group of baby boomers who have remained in the Church and attempted to change it (they may have succeeded on some level). Younger Catholics (the MTV ones) who are disenchanted will probably just leave. I don�t know if they want to take the time to effect change. This may result in a smaller Church filled with the orthodox Catholics while the others are simply gone. Some of the younger generation might come back to baptize children, etc., only to find that the Church does not resemble what it once was.

I�m not ready to through my hands up and wash myself of all the people currently in the Church with whom I have disagreements, but I agree that we need to return to a greater sense of the sacred in the Mass. We all may need to make some compromises in the matter because individually we honestly are not the final arbiters of what is or is not an appropriate expression of faith (although we would like to think that we know the answers). If we feel strongly that something is completely out of line we are probably left with two options, work to change it or leave. I�m still in the camp where I�m going to work for change in my Church; I just wish I knew how to do it.

Tom

It would make a good Sunday's drive...but sounds really well worth it and something you have wanted to do for a long time, right? Worth a try?

I hope Debbie is doing better.

In Christ,

Porter

First of all, maybe my words weren't as clear as they should've been on that last little part of my post.

Ryan and Lawrence,

I don't include all of your generation or all of my generation in that stereotype! I know tons of 50-and-ups that care deeply for authentic liturgy (just look around this Forum!), and plenty of people my age who couldn't care less. So I did not mean to offend, and I definitely didn't mean to imply that I'm some orthodox liturgical czar!

But it definitely has been my experience in every traditional parish that there are many, many young people in attendance and who are involved. Many young parents, under 40, with more than four children. There are also the "older-elderly," if you will, the over-75 crowd. But the gap in between, well...I can only say that I've talked with countless traditionalists who have had the exact same experiences as I. As I said, it seems that every statistic showing the age of traditional orders of monks, nuns, priests coming out of trad seminaries, etc. lends support to the conclusion that a younger generation does indeed want back the traditions that were wrongfully stolen from them before they got a chance to grow up with it.

I see all this as good news, and that we can hope for the future.

Logos Teen

New additional footage...




Indeed the smoke of satan has entered...Footage of Fr. Fred sitting down, while the extraordinary minister of the Eucharist dressed as a devil continues distributing the hosts and getting more herself from the altar.

A witch singing the Responsorial Psalm.

Parts of the homily (where Fr. Fred is describing past costumes the priest has worn), as well as Fr. Fred's admission that someone dressed as a devil was an extraordinary minister at the previous Mass. Fr. Fred exclaimed, "Only at Corpus Christi does the Devil himself become a Eucharistic Minister...you knew we were twisted!"

Fr. Fred is seen introducing the Lord's Prayer by saying: "As goblins and ghouls, we raise one voice: Our Father, who art in heaven..."

james

Dear Elias:
I in no way support such liturgical garbage that is being addressed in this thread, and frankly, I see nothing about my previous post that even remotely suggests that I do. My concern is the comment about how things are going to get better when all the 50 plus crowd is dead because the younger generation is going to clean everything up. To me, such a sweeping generalization is an insult to many people who are older than 50 (and I'm not part of that group, I'm only 35) and who are faithful, devout Catholics. I also think the implication that the younger generation is going to make everthing right places an undeserved amount of faith in a generation that has plenty of failures of its own (as do all generations).
Sincerely,
Ryan

Well, Ryan, it seems you've chosen to look over my attempted clarification, which clearly states that there are many devout Catholics over the age of 50, but I've got to say if you think they're some overwhelming majority you're kidding yourself. And they're not getting any younger, so obviously newer generations have a better chance to try and correct the destruction.

Logos Teen

L-T:

you paint with a wide brush.

One video on "youtube" should not indict the whole Latin Church or at least those over 50 in the Latin Church. This needs to be put in a proper perspective. Unfortunately, only that which is read in the news becomes "reality." I am quite sure there are an overwhelming number of parishes where this type of "celebration" did not occur.

What is produced here is an aberration. Nothing here can be justified. At the very least, I could see people dressed as their patron saint, but to dress as a cat (if you read the comments, a person stated the woman was dressed as a cat), is unacceptable. I would not place the blame on this woman, but on the pastor who encourages this type of nonsense.

The follow-up video clarifies that the first video was of the Saturday vigil and the second video added on a couple minutes from the Sunday Mass. In the Sunday homily, the priest specifically said that a female dressed as the devil distributed communion the previous evening and he joked about the devil himself handing out the Eucharist. I'm afraid the people closest to her, including the priest, believed her to be dressed as a devil and they supported and defended that fact.

That's too lenient a punishment.

Logos Teen:

If you notice, my post was in response to Elias, to point out to him that in no way did I intend to defend abuses of the liturgy. I do appreciate your clarifcation, but I think you are kidding yourself if you think your generation is any better than the past couple of generations or so. I certainly hope that we come to a place in the Church where a lot of these liturgical abuses will disappear and I certainly do think that there are lots of very young Catholics like you who have a role to play in bringing about a restoration of a proper degree of respect for the liturgy, in removing things from the liturgy that ought not be there, and in restoring to the liturgy that which never should have been removed. However, I strongly urge you against the idea that your generation is somehow better than those that have preceded it-just look around and there are quite obvious signs that there is an abundance of sin without respect to age. Also, when you say things like having to wait for the older generation to die off, that sounds as if you're suggesting that we'd be better off if they would all just die. That is extremely offensive to me and I would think should be offensive to any Catholic or Orthodox Christian who follows the Church's teaching concerning life. I feel as if it is not truly your intent to suggest that they just need to go ahead and die-but the words you chose could easily be construed as such.
In peace,
Ryan

A young person thinks the generation before him made a mess of things and that his generation will straighten it out. I'm sure everyone here over 30 felt the same way when they were a teen-ager ( I know I did).

But back to the original topic, do you suppose when they went up to Communion they said "trick-or-treat" before the took the Host?

Ryan,

If people took my post to suggest that I'm just waiting old fogies to die off, well then let them think that; it's not the case.

My general point is that those younger can have a fresh-faced look at tradition, since it was stolen from them, and have more time to come to appreciate authentic liturgy and theology and to encourage and spread it. That's all and that'll end my discussion of age differentials!

Logos Teen

Logos,

Do you not agree that we have a responsibility to make sure that our words convey our meaning? Is not a misunderstanding of what was said at least as much the fault of the writer as the reader?

I must say that I am not particularly invested in this conversation but I took away from your comments the same sentiment that Ryan saw.

Surely you do not mean to suggest that one can be careless with words and then bear no responsibility for the offense or insult that his words caused?

It has been 20+ years since I had any dealings with Latin, so maybe one of the Roman Rite posters can assist me, but does not Exsurge Domine, June 15 1520 call for heretics be burnt at the stake? Since this is a Papal Encyclical, can this be overturned? If not, might I suggest stakes for 2 in Orange County? I'll provide the wood free of charge. Maybe it can be televised and the proceeds going towards education of the laity led astray by such shepherds.

Alexandr, only slightly tongue in cheek.