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I think the very same could be said about Catholics who over the centuries tollerated in the various countries (yours and mine) great evil and those who did these things were treated as honoured sons of the Church.

The comment mate was uncalled for and not fair.

ICXC
NIKA

Personal experience and the witness of history show that no communion of Christians is free from sin. Obviously, as with Catholics, among the Orthodox this is in spite of, not because of the Church [in the mystical and divine sense].
I retract nothing; are you saying my tale of the Orthodox abortionist is not true?
I can supply names, places, and dates if you wish. I even went and talked to his priest, who basically said that he's Greek and donates money to the parish. The priest even accompanied him to court when he was tried for a botched abortion!
What are you saying; that Orthodox Christians have never tolerated evil? Simply and verifiably untrue.
Again, this is not anti-Orthodox, any more than saying that Catholics have often failed the moral test is anti-Catholic. The context of my remark was a response to a post alleging that Catholics tolerate evils that the Orthodox never would, and should be seen in this context...

-Daniel

Daniel,

Everything you say is unfortunately, believable. Let us leave it at that.

I think I know you well enough by now, and I know that you meant no offense. For sure, that situation and others like it are scandalous to ALL.

Pray for the priests that give up their spiritual integrity for donations of money from parishioners who are openly in grave sin and even sometimes, apostasy (before I get cloberred about this word, yes I meant 'apostasy', as in NOT believing in Jesus as the son of God, or not believing in him at all).

This is one of the biggest shortcomings in my jurisdiction, but not in the Athonite monasteries of this country. They are growing in leaps and bounds by the pennies, not thousands of dollars, of the truly faithful who appreciate that everyone is treated and respected equally there in a true spirit of Christ.

NO one should be revered above the other because of their money. It does nothing beneficial for the soul of the particular wealthy parishioner, just as it does nothing beneficial for the soul of the particular priest, bishop, or archbishop who may have rationalized this practice.

The temptation of sin comes in many different forms to our clergy, both in the East and the West..let no one side look at the other's speck....

In Christ,
Alice

Yes, Alice, I have read of the spread of Athonite monasteries in the US; very impressive. That one in Arizona looks like a veritable heaven.

Thank you for not taking offense at my post, for taking it in context!

-Daniel

Unfortunately I don't think this priests case is isolated. Here is a story from the Chicago Tribune [chicagotribune.com]

The classroom is on the campus of DePaul University, the country's largest Catholic university and, it is believed, the first Catholic school to offer an undergraduate minor in queer studies. The minor became available in January.

It says the classes have been full.

Andrew

Dear Andrew,

You don't need to get so defensive...

If you read a page back, you will see that most of the criticism was about the RC church.... :rolleyes:

I don't think that anyone here is competing about which 'side' is more apostate...

We have all agreed that there is enough apostasy and sin to go around *everywhere*. It is a sign of the pagan times-- the evil one reigns, on both sides of the cultural divide, in this country and in every country, in the hearts and souls of those who are spiritually weak...

In Christ,
Alice

Alice, I am not trying to foment a �who is more apostate contest�. I am distressed that it seems a priest can from the pulpit suggest as a Lenten activity going to view a movie that I gather is a celebration of sexual deviancy. I would love for someone to post he has been censured and/or removed.

My other post was simply to say I don�t think this is isolated. The nation�s largest Catholic university now apparently offers a course of study in that form of deviancy.

That is not to cast stones, but to highlight an issue that I think people in that church should be speaking out and acting on.

Andrew

I wonder how they will explain that and try to keep their status of Catholic University.

ICXC
NIKA