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A friend send me this link this morning. It is lent Jesuit style. Ash Wednesday by J.A. Loftus, S.J. [ jucboston.org] The consequence of not being free is sin. I suspect many in this community have already seen Brokeback Mountain. If not see it; if you have, see it again and reflect on the consequences of not being interiorly free, the consequences of not knowing who you really are and want to become, the tragic consequences and subsequent devastation that comes from only living in a �pretend� world. Watch carefully the price of dishonesty in yourself and with those whom you try to love.
Let this Lent be a Brokeback Lent. Let yourself feel genuinely dreadful at just how little you accept God�s invitation to be yourself, to be honest, to live more freely, to love more passionately, to even be prepared to die for those whom you love. So hold on to both pockets of your jacket and don�t ever forget both messages. Because while you are not the fully human being God created you to become, yet for you, this entire, magical and sacred world was made. Welcome to the hard journey we call Lent. 
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Another one of these Roman Church errors... 
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Via another forum I visited their site...I believe that they are a outreach to people suffering from HIV/AIDS and a different life style...other then that it is not my place to past judgement on them...
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spdundas...
your post is a little aggressive, no? Why are you calling it another Roman error ?
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It's worth reading the whole sermon - from the beginning. The point as I see it ought to strike a resonance on a Byzantine forum. The grave sin to contemplate during Lent is our failure to grow and abide in the completeness and perfection that God awesomely wills for us. And not to measure this sin by legalistic standards - either in taking the measure of ourselves or others.
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It WAS worth reading the whole sermon--
It is just so much easier to confess that "I've lied to so and so, or lusted after so and so, or took thus and so from my office supply cabinet, or had mean thoughts about so and so," than it is to see that we often refuse to be humans, made in God's image and see other people as that as well, and thus, not realize our potential to love and have charity for others just as God has shown them to us. The consequences of denying that humanity made in the image of divinity are tragic.
That's what I took away from reading it. Considerably more challenging a talk than I'm used to.
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So Lent is back for the Jesuits  . I just hope there are some old priests still around who can tell them all about it from before the days they abolished it  . ICXC NIKA
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Originally posted by AV1212:
spdundas...
your post is a little aggressive, no? Why are you calling it another Roman error ? Hello, I don't mean to shed a light on the Romans in a bad way at all. It's just that...there are many things in the Roman Church that the Orthodox would NOT EVER put up with. For example...I had a friend just a few days ago telling me that a Roman priest gave communion to President Clinton! I was like "WHAT!" (Sorry I was behind on that news). And I asked if the priest had been punished for doing that...and I found nothing on the internet about the priest being punished for it. The Orthodox would NEVER do that! That is one SMALL SMALL SMALL example of MANY things that are happening in the Roman Church which the Orthodox wouldn't do or put up with. What about Pope Benedict's weak guidelines on homosexual seminarians and priests? There is NO black and white clear cut definite list of what's gay and what's not gay. He pretty much left it up to each diocese to decide what it is...that is a huge leeway for it. That is NOT good at all. The dioceses could turn away a perfectly good men who are heterosexual simply because one of the criteria makes him "gay" or VICE-VERSA allowing gay men become priests. I don't have full confidence in what Pope Benedict is doing...and I don't feel that I entirely trust him. Not just because of that gay issue here..but on other issues as well...I just don't know what his agenda is... That's all what I'm saying. There's NO harm done or anything...it's just the facts. SPDundas Deaf Byzantine
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I don't know many men in my area who wear mink hats, so I can't judge.
In any case, viewing 'Brokeback Mountain' is not on my list of things to do. I don't plan on having a "Brokeback Lent", whatever that is.
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Would watching a movie that glorifies Homosexuality be considered an appropriate Lenten activity then? It really seems to me that the sermon is saying it is.
Doesn't this movie and its intentions represent the culture of death? How can this sermon be defended?
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How can this sermon be defended? I guess it depends on who is defending it. Sam
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Well if you dont like the style of delivery read soemthing you know that will raise you up and help you throught the Great Lent. I just read the last 2 paragraphs and that was enough for me. He makes a point but choosing that movie as an example was not the best choice of an example he could have used. I wonder who the audience was that this text was written for, as he makes a few points about being dishonest etc. I have not seen the film as it has not arrived here yet but I think from what I have read lies and being dishonest are part of the plot.
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Mr Dundas- Don't underestimate the capacity of the Orthodox to tolerate evil; I knew of an abortionist who was a member in good standing of his GOA church; apparently his ethnicity was more important than the fact that he killed babies for money. [This is not an anti-Orthodox post; merely a corrective to some who romanticize what is after all another institution composed of weak and sinful humans]. The "Brokeback Lent" line suggests several jokes, none of them suitable for this august forum... -Daniel, exercising admirable restraint
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Originally posted by iconophile:
Mr Dundas- Don't underestimate the capacity of the Orthodox to tolerate evil; [This is not an anti-Orthodox post; DANIEL, I would say that you contradicted yourself here. That is a major insult to Orthodox Christians! If anything in their history, Orhtodox Christian have endured the evil of the Turkish and Bolshevik yokes. Please retract what you have said.
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