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Do I win? Am I the only Evangelical Protestant still posting here? Just wondering.
The answers to some questions were not precisely what I would choose. I.E. I am a homemaker by choice, but I consider myself a home educator by "profession" not a teacher.
When I fast I don't follow the disciplines of the East, I merely abstain from food for a time, so "Not much" wasn't really an appropriate answer.
The Eucharist-I, like some other Evangelicals, find it very hard to define the nature of communion. Surely it is more than mere symbol-after all, Christ is really present and we really have a living encounter with Him-but I am not convinced that the Eucharist truly becomes the body and blood of Christ and that it is the primary vehicle God uses for bestowing grace in the life of a believer. Even Calvin believed that the Eucharist was more than many modern Evangelical pastors teach.
The Bible-do I believe that the Word of God is only safely interpreted by the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit? No. Do I believe that the Holy Spirit can act through the Word of God to instruct and even sometimes convert someone to belief in Jesus Christ? Yes, I do. But I do not believe that I will grow much in grace and truth if I stick to just the Bible and me. The believer should submit himself to the teaching of a pastor who teaches the Word of God in the context of all of Christian history and teaching. As Evangelicals we should not be so arrogant that we dismiss the truth because it comes from some place outside of our tradition. We all stand on tradition to some degree or another-this is a point I will gladly concede.
Finally, why do I come to the forum now? You left off one very important option-for the fellowship and the prayers of other believers. It is also true that I still come to learn more about Byzantine Christianity, and lots of other things as well, but I come back because I want to know what people on the forum are thinking and talking about, what wisdom they have about goings-on in the world and for the prayers of God's faithful people.
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Greetings and Blessings to you, Michele..

I know God blesses you for your dedicated and prayer life to the Holy Bible...

With all charity and humility I present to you to look and explore Church history and learn and see how it has developed these last 2000 years. There were several brakes with the Holy church...Martin Luther, a Catholic Priest, because of the state of the Catholic Church in that time, thought reform was necessary...and today you see the results of that period!

The basis of our Catholic Church (Roman/Orthodox/Byzantine) have all a baseline link of a Sacramental link that extends from Peter and the Apostles. To learn about the Byzantine/Orthodox way of life, you have to go back into our Church history to learn and love and appreciate the Sacramental life we all have and share. This where the "true" Church exists...and that is through our Sacraments. Holy Scripture gives us the basis of understanding for these Holy Sacraments.

Michele, I truly hope you continue to grow in your faith, and may God continue to Bless You for that!

Always in the Spirit of the Lord,

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Ignatius, thank you again for your kind words, sir. smile

Michele, I thank you for your good comments. I will take them into account if I revise and repost the poll.

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John-

Thanks for the revised poll. It's quite good.

However, I again don't like the answers to some of the questions, and am gratuitously and unsolicitedly posting my answers to those questions. smile

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The Eastern Catholic Churches (Byzantine, Melkite, etc.) are
Patriarchates, Major Archeparchies and Eparchies of the Church of the Byzantine tradition who have chosen to be in communion with Rome. We do not exist because we are useful in the cause of "reunion" - even if it's a subject of considerable interest to us. We exist because we are real Churches.

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Who, then, can be saved ?
that's God's decision. There are certainly certain parameters, but still it's ultimately up do Him, who is full of mercy and loves mankind.

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When the leadership of a church wants to change its liturgy, it should
do so if it's pastorally appropriate and in line with the rest of its tradition. If it's the Roman Rite, Rome has to do it. If not, then it has to be done very carefully and only for necessary reasons. However, it has been done before, even in the Byzantine tradition and in principle I don't have a huge objection.

I might also add that liturgical changes by a particular eparchy are different from bad translations.

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Pews in your church are
nonexistent. We have movable chairs. Part of me would like to see them go. But the part of me that wins out are my legs, which get tired and need somewhere to sit during the homily, after standing all morning through Orthros and Liturgy.


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Preserving an ethnic heritage (language, food, etc.) at your church is
as hard as it is for me to say this, this should not be the church's function at all. This should be the focus of individuals, perhaps even a local [pick a country]-American society or club, but not the church.

I say this very hesitantly because I know the first-generation parishoners need some kind of link to the places they grew up, and God's people should be served. But I still think the church should get out of that, and let that be the work of a non-Church society; the church can and should however work with that society.

I only say this because I think heavy ethnicism will get in the way of the primary mission of the parish. By the second generation, I've found that many of the children are indifferent to a lot of the heavier ethnic issues. I wouldn't say at all that they object to it, or hate it; it's just not as central to them as it was to some of their parents. The third generation is even more indifferent, and of course converts have no ties to the ethnic group at all. A heavy ethnic focus can put off the second generationers and coverts.

I went to St. Konan's Slobovian Orthodox Church a while ago [OK, I changed the proper nouns but the rest of the facts are the same]. A bishop from Slobovia was soliciting donations for a worthy Slobovian cause, saying about how all us Slobovians should help our brother Slobovians. However, he failed to notice that of the 9 clergymen (from reader on up) at St. Konan's, only one was first-generation Slobovian, and only 2 were even of Slobovian descent (2nd and 3rd gen.). The remainder were non-Slobovian converts. He also failed to notice that there wasn't a single ethnic Slobovian in the (full!) first three rows of pews. Now, I don't think that this hurt the response to his appeal. But the appeal to Slobovian interests certainly was not the way to go in this highly successful parish.

However, I do have to say that I like Slobovian food. biggrin


Oh, and welcome, Michele! smile

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John-

Thanks for the revised poll. It's quite good.

However, I again don't like the answers to some of the questions, and am gratuitously and unsolicitedly posting my answers to those questions. smile
Cool cool ; thank you sir ! It makes for interesting reading. It also makes for useful comments in case I revise and repost the poll one day.

Thank you all for taking the poll and your comments!

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The other concern I had was with the abortion question. I responded that it is never ok. However, I have believed that it is regrettably acceptable only in the case of ectopic pregnancy. Until now, I had no idea that there was any hope of a child surviving this. At any rate, your option "in the case of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother' is too broad for me to answer yes in good conscience. Even in the case where the mother's life is in danger it is not black and white to me. A mother agrees to lay down her life for her child the instant she opens herself up to pregnancy. If there is no hope for the child and the mother is in clear danger of death, then the mother's life should be saved. In the case rape or incest, as evil as these surely are, they still provide an opportunity for the Father to heal,redeem and restore and the child is still a child. Having said that, I would find it heartbreakingly difficult to ask a 13,14 or 15 year old girl to endure such a situation. Pray for these little ones and come quickly, Lord Jesus!
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The other concern I had was with the abortion question. I responded that it is never ok. However, I have believed that it is regrettably acceptable only in the case of ectopic pregnancy. [ . . . ] At any rate, your option "in the case of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother' is too broad for me to answer yes in good conscience.
I know: it is a difficult call when the issue of ectopic pregnancies is concerned. However, after thinking some more about polling the abortion, I think I would leave the options as they are. People who feel and believe such as you will select the "never" option because ectopic pregnancy is so rare and narrow of an exception. The "rape, incest and save the life of the mother option" represents a much broader range of acceptable exceptions. And then are the options for those who, basically, think abortion ok: with some discouragement or with no discouragement. In short, I'm trying to gauge a range of views of abortion: from never acceptable to always acceptable. The options I present aren't perfect, but I think they are workable. Thank you for your comments, Michele.

Another thing I would like to explore (if I ever revise and repost the poll) is how strongly people feel about their views and how often they waver or change their views... Are other people interested in this kind of thing ?

-- John

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