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Dear Alex,

My wife calls me all the time too!!!! Can't always say what she calls me, but......... Anything else that comes to you, send it along!

Thanks again,

Michael

Alex

To the best of my knowledge, the De Bohun family in Scotland can only be traced as far back as Normandy. It has been suggested that the family name could have originated in Bohemia, but it may also have been a descritive term for the family's wandering origins.

So there were Scotsmen serving with the Ukrainians against the Poles. Not surprising, but the Poles probably had alot more.

Dear Lawrence,

Yes, I've read that too - Normandy!

There were also "Bohuns" in Ukraine - I'll continue searching for info regarding this.

I've researched my own family background and my wife's.

My grandmother was a "Jablonowskie" descended from Count Auguste Jabonlowskie, who was from mixed Polish-Ukrainian background and who fought the Turks.

There is a statue to him in Cracow and the Jablonowskie family has a chapel in Czestochowa.

I'm proud to say this family goes all the way back to St Olha and St Vladimir (and St Alexander Nevsky).

As for the Scots, in fact the Scots Presbyterians loved to fight Catholic armies!

St Theodore Ostrozhki also adopted war tactics from the Protestant Hussites (General Jan Zizka) in his battles with the Poles.

There was also the class aspect - lower class Poles fought on the side of the Kozaks and upper class Ukrainians fought on the side of the Poles.

The leader of the Poles who destroyed the Kozak army at Berestechko was a Ukrainian "Janissary" or traitor - his sword, by which he killed his own people, is on display at a Polish museum today.

Alex

Alex

There's also a Bohemian town called Jablonec which is just south of the Silesian Polish border. Maybe that name ties in with your ancestry as well.

Dear Lawrence,

Perhaps - but there was "Jablonsky" and other families as well.

To attain nobility for military services, which is how my ancestor, Count Auguste, did it, often involved a change of name.

In the 18th century, Timothy Sokoliv was admitted to the upper echelons of church administration and was then called "Sokolovsky" and was so called when he was consecrated a bishop.

He is today known as St Tikhon of Zadonsk and Voronezh.

Alex

If I may add a littel to your understanding. The term Cetli come fro the Greek work Keltua --or "clay pot" The ancient Celts cremated thier dead and buried them in clay pots. they originated alont the Danube River and may have dominated European civilization except that the Organization oand tactics of Roman Armies defeated tyhem. they were warrier poets. There are many locations of thier buriel signts being unearthed all over Europe Fran and Spain as well as Germany. While my nephews wre attending Washington and Lee University in VA lthe history prof there asked them how t;heyt could have an Irish name "patrick Paden" and a "hapsburg nose" a feature that they inherited from my father. he told t;hem that the Irish name Padden is a corruption of a Czech name. We have a Celtic Ortoodox parich near here in Akron Ohio. The Celtic Church is and has been Eastern all along. The Book of Kell" if a direct and unedited tranlation of an Orthodox text in Syriac. =-- The pro;bqbler original source of Celtic communion and anticedents. Keep going in your Irish History and Easte;rn Church reaffiliation. My sister amrried an Irishman etc. Yours in Christ Clifford