www.byzcath.org Forums General Discussions Town Hall Great article on Husar

Great picture!

For the record, I never said I didn't like him because he doesn't wear a klobuk. I only asked what his reason was.

Nick

Dear Ivasyk,

Please do not offend the Ukrainian Catholic Church or the Roman Catholic Church by your desparaging comments about "Husar" and "Woytyla."

(Husar is my relative, for one thing, as was Archbishop Volodymyr Sterniuk.)

As for fruits, even my Jewish uncle wanted to convert to Christianity when Pope John Paul II was here in Toronto.

You should be ashamed of yourself. I am ashamed there are Ukrainians who can say that.

When will we Ukrainians become intelligent as a whole people? Any ideas?

Alex

Dear Alex,
thank you for your answer. I had an opportunity to meet Metropolyt Sterniuk in January 1997, a few month before he died. He was a man of faith, prayer. Faithfull son of his Congregation and of Catholic Church.
I can't see Husar or Wojtyla doing this. They stoped 3 orthodox bishops joining UGCC, even after fact that Abp. Volodymyr accepted them to UGCC and re-consecrated them sub-conditione.
The price for it will be high. I hope that JPII will be not beatified because them people would not pray for him but to him.
I know Card Husar personally. A few times I had a private lunch with him. So, I know what I am saying. Please understand me.
God Bless. Z Bohom.
Ivasyk

Nicholas,

It wasn't directed at you.

-uc

Dear Ivasyk,

Well, I don't think you do.

I find your comments offensive, so offensive that it really casts doubts, for me, on the identity presented here.

I would not doubt that you are a supporter of the Society of St Josaphat and, as such, are at odds with the UGCC, Patriarch Lubomyr and the Catholic Church.

This is a Catholic forum. Not an SSPX forum that considers itself to be the only true Catholics etc.

Those who think they can pass judgement on Pope John Paul II are not Catholics, they have blinded themselves in their pride and their attachment to rites and attitudes of yesteryear and think they know better than the Catholic Church.

The Church is the Body of Christ and the Holy Spirit guards and protects it, and her Popes.

Those who attack her Popes, attack the Catholic Church and so, are not Catholic.

I don't know who you are, but you do not come bearing good fruit, attacking both our UGCC Patriarch Lubomyr (who was Patriarch Joseph the Confessor's favoured successor, in case you didn't know) and our Pope John Paul the Great who beatified our Martyrs - something that no Pope in the past would do for fear of harming ecumenical relations with Moscow.

How dare you! Administrator/Moderators - please look into this cause for offense!

Alex

I don't think you should call John Paul, "Great".
He wasn't just Great. He was "The Greatest!"
:-)

Just out of curiousity, would I be anti Catholic if I critized one of our past Popes whom committed great attrocities, or is Dante considered anti Catholic because he put a Pope in one of the lower levels of hell?

I want the job of Devils Advocate brought back so I can do it for JPII. It would be money for jam

ICXC
NIKA

Dear Mr. McNabb - does that also apply to Alexander VI, and the various connections of Marousia?

Incognitus

I was saying , a post above claimed it makes someone anti Catholic to criticize a Pope in anyway, so I was simply asking if the same rule applies for Popes who had illegitamite children, or worse.

No, no, no! You may only criticize a pope if he is NOT Slavic. The same applies to other churchmen. Otherwise, you will have left the realm of reason and logic and entered the zone of hysteria - you know, where the national flag has a sleeve insignia with feelings on it. :p If the churchman you wish to criticize happens to be a Slav, then he was/is/will be canonized by popular acclamation and anyone who disagrees will burn in the fires of hell forever. Whatever were you thinking, my good man? Surely you need to lie down for awhile until this urge to be critical passes. Have some chocolate. It usually helps.

Enlarge the Slavic to include English, Scotish, French and Irish and I will share my secret supply of chocolates with you.

ICXC
NIKA

Hey, that works for me! Chocolate rules!

Dear Alex,
thank you very much for your reply. I am not supporter of Society of St Josaphat. I can not understand their politics..., I am not doing attacs on JPII Or Card Husar. I just wanted to say that the way of ecumenism they do is not the right one. Bl. Vasyl Velychkovski connfessed my great grand father before he died in Vorkuta in 1948. I tresure their blood, because its a sead if christianity in Ukraine.
Z Bohom
Ivasyk

Dearest in Christ Ivasyk
I have been watching your posts; now you say that you are not with the Soc. of St Josaphat yet go to SSPX for Mass. Perhaps you might like to get into contact with us; we're perhaps more able to help you.

I can understand your anger and disappointment and perhaps this needs to be worked out a bit.

But remember you have to 'stick with the Church' through everything; that's what we try to do is some way to hold on even though we are not always appreciated (which is good for the soul too for, as the Holy Ghost says: "We may be unfaithful, but He is always faithful, for he cannot deny His own self." This means that we all are unfaithful, including the ministers of the Church no matter how high up; God's servant have often failed; in their failings we are all punished,(scandal, loss of faith etc etc) but we must endure whatever happens to us knowing that God sees all and he will not have us suffer temptation beyond our limits. Therefore we need a supernatural view on everything. A great book for this in less than 50 pages is St Alphonsus' "Uniformity with the Will of God" TAN print it, I can get you a copy.Anyway it amounts to this: Take the difficulties face on; accept the scandals you see with a brave and constant spirit trusting in God through it all. After all this world is, (as we say in the Latin rite), a vale of tears, lacrimarum valle ; there will always be crosses one one kind or another.

What I humbly suggest, if it can be helpful, is for you to deal with these issues off-line. I say this for the following reason: your remarks are making some people commit faults of charity and upsetting them: and I think that you would not want to be a cause of making people commit a fault of charity in reading what you write.
Unfortunately, they don't understand your pain; they seem to want only to be understood themselves. Your pains cause them to react fairly violently: therefore I think that they are not the ones who are able to help you; it seems that way to me.

If you are already going to an SSPX chapel then I think that it would be appropriate to speak to me, and if I'm not the one for you, I can find you someone who can help. You love the Church, you are scandalised in her ministers, you have Vorkuta blood in your Greek Catholic heart; you are Greek Catholic but especially Catholic Catholic first. I hear a lot of things between the lines.
I'll send you a PM an give you my e-mail address and you can take it from there; but feel free; I think I could help.
Also I will be going to Ukraine in May, usually using good old el-cheap-o Ryanair through Kracow. If you would like to meet I could arrange it for sure. As you like. The ball's in your court.
Devotedly in humility and charity
Fr ichael Mary, C.SS.R.