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[ 11-16-2001: Message edited by: Edwin ]

[ 11-16-2001: Message edited by: Edwin ]

President Putin and his wife attend Liturgy at St Nicholas Russian Orthodox Cathedral in NYC..

The text is in Russian, but there are 3 photos of
Vladimir and Mrs. Putin at St. Nicholas Cathedral in
New York City.

http://www.russian-orthodox-church.org.ru/

Click on the text below the picture on the news home
page to see 2 more pictures of the memorial service
that the Putins attended last evening.

Thank you, OrthoMan.

I noticed the Putins wearing their wedding bans on the right hand. So Eastern!

Nice pictures.

There's a funny typo in the first headline in the English-translation page of the above-mentioned Russian Orthodox Web site. The title reads:


I'll bet that Alexy would love to give ROCOR a most enthusiastic "massage"; and ROCOR would happily return the favor.

In Christ,
Steven

So ... what Russian Orthodox Church is St. Nicholas? OCA? ROCOR?

I'd recommend a good therapeutic massage to just about anyone, including bishops.

Many thanks - the story in Russian is linked to my front page with all the news links.

St Nicholas Cathedral on 97th Street (near the 96th Street subway stop) belongs to the Moscow Patriarchate and as the article says was founded around the turn of the last century by Tsarevich Nicholas, later Tsar Nicholas II. In the 1920s the metropolia in America (now the OCA) and the Soviet authorities struggled for it in court and the USSR won; the OCA now has Protection of the Mother of God Cathedral, an ex-Episcopal building on 2nd Street in the East Village. Despite the Soviet tie in the past, St Nicholas is a fine place — it's where I've been going (noncommuning — usually I just go to weeknight Vigil anyway) when in New York. Worship is in Slavonic and it seems to be a magnet for the religious among recent Russian expats.

Footnote: the need for a Russian cathedral in New York was because of the wave of conversions among Ruthenians — the Toth movement. The Russian bishop suddenly found that most of his flock were back East and so the Russian mission moved its headquarters (formerly in Sitka, Alaska, then in San Francisco, both of whose historic cathedrals are the OCA's).

http://oldworldrus.com

[ 11-16-2001: Message edited by: Serge ]

[So ... what Russian Orthodox Church is St. Nicholas? OCA? ROCOR?]

Neither. It belogs to the Moscow Patriarchate.

OrthoMan

+Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory to Him Forever!

Are there any other MP parishes in the U.S.? I would love to know!

God bless,
Liz

Liz, some of the largest parishes in the USA are under the Patriarch of Moscow. For example:

Saints Peter & Paul Cathedral, Passaic NJ
Three Saints, Garfield NJ
Saint Andrew, Philadelphia PA
Saint Michael, Philadelphia PA

A complete list is here:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/5168/patr_parishes.html

+Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory to Him Forever!

Yea! Thank you so much, Rich!



God bless,
Liz

I have long wondered after the "settlement" between OCA and the MP, what led these parishes to remain with the MP? I understand the hard choice RO may have had forced to choose between the MP, under communist domination and the reactionary ROCOR. But unless local issues existed, I have never understood why these parishes would not join OCA?

K.

Why did some Russian churches stay out of the OCA? (In the tomos creating it is a list of churches exempted from joining it.)

My guess is a variety of reasons, even though with the 1970 settlement creating the OCA the MP-American rift is over (in SCOBA matters the OCA actually represents the Patriarchal Parishes), but mostly having to do with the disputes like that over St Nicholas Cathedral: residual hard feelings between the Russian metropolia in America (now the OCA), who decided on de facto independence in 1946 (incidentally breaking with ROCOR, who claimed jurisdiction over all diaspora Russians), and those Russian churches in America who at the same time decided instead to follow the Soviets' order to submit to the MP.

It seems to me in practice today MP churches are just like ROCOR churches — conservative, with the old calendar (today is the holy archangels' day — s prazdnikom!) and Slavonic. More Russian than the OCA.

http://oldworldrus.com

[ 11-21-2001: Message edited by: Serge ]

RichC,

I think listing the names of the matushkas on the Moscow Patriarchate directory was a wonderful idea. As the saying goes, "Behind every great man is a greater woman."

Mothers of the Church, pray to God for us!

[ 11-21-2001: Message edited by: Edwin ]

>Saint Andrew, Philadelphia PA
>Saint Michael, Philadelphia PA

Coming from Philadelphia I wouldn't consider either St Andrew's or St Michael's as large parishes membership wise. Full of wonderful people YES. Large membership NO! Especially if you are comparing them to all the other Russian parishes in the other two jurisdictions.

orthodman

Dear Friends,

I read the interview with His Holiness the Patriarch of Moscow and he was clearly unhappy with ROCOR's response to his overtures for unity.

But with the canonization of the Romanovs and the New Martyrs and the other changes that have occurred, why is ROCOR committed to staying aloof?

I thought His Holiness' arguments were cogent . . .

Whether ROCOR is "reactionary" or not, I don't know. I myself don't use that kind of terminology since it would make me out to be either liberal or left-wing or, worse, politically correct.

I do know that ROCOR set a great example of sincere Orthodox practice, so much so, that I often heard it praised by our Ukrainian Catholic parish priest during his sermons when I was growing up.

Our priest even hired two Uke members of ROCOR to write the iconography for our entire Catholic church.

They did a great job on our icon of St Josaphat.

Hmmm... I wonder if they had to whip themselves after that particular icon was painted (kidding, kidding).

Alex