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#174571 02/05/02 02:23 PM
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Hey Everyone,
I was wondering why most eastern bishops go by their first name only? For example Archbishop Antony(UOC-USA)..why dont we call him Archbishop Antony Scharba(sp?) Is it a Latinization that some Eastern Catholics use the last name for example Met. Stephan Soroka? Also, any word on who the new eparch of the St. Nicholas Ukr. Cath Eparchy in Chicago will be? Thanks
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that this is done because ideally, all bishops are monks, and when they enter the monastic life, they leave behind all worldly possesions, taking on a new name. Therefore, bishops continue this practice. However, they often are still refered to by their last name if it is confusing or if there are more than one Stephen, for example.
i.e. His Grace AUGUSTIN (Markevych), Archimandrite MATTHEW (Mormyl), etc.
I have noticed that in some documents, monks or bishops capitalize their first names, while married priests or lay people capitalize their last names, i.e. Fr. Thomas HOPKO.

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My dear and wonderful Ukrainian Catholic Brothers,

(Just love y'a guys!)

In actual fact, the use consists of the Hierarch's Christian name coupled with the name of his Eparchy.

This goes back to the times when Bishops were "of one wife" (that was a good rule, no? I mean, why burden people with additional wives?).

This serves to underscore the very intimate relation between the Bishop and his people and so he loses, in effect, his surname and gains another surname, that of the place where his flock resides.

Even the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, although not a monk, follows this tradition and when Michael Ramsey became Archbishop he became, "Michael Cantuar."

Popes were always called, "Clemens Romanus" Alexander Romanus etc.

This also applied to pilgrims and Greek pilgrims to the Holy Land were enabled to prefix their Christian names with "Hatzi" coming from the Arabic "Hajj" or the pilgrimage (e.g. "Hatzi-paulou, Hatzialexandrou - which is what I sometimes call myself, having completed an official pilgrimage to Jerusalem).

People making pilgrimages to Rome always, later on, took on the surname "Roman."

This is my surname (it isn't really "Orthodox Catholic" smile ).

My ancestors were all pilgrims to Rome and this is where they got the surname.

My grandfather was born unable to walk for the first seven years of his life.

An uncle went to Rome and brought back some Holy Water from the Church that marked the spot of St Paul's Martyrdom by beheading.

My great grandfather Leo, living in the Carpathians as he did, called his entire village together.

Before them, he made a vow to God to dedicate his son, John, to the Priesthood if he could ever walk again.

He then picked up little John and dipped him three times in the Holy Water and then placed him on his feet.

John walked from that moment on, became a Priest and served God as such for 70 years.

Even though he really wanted to become a lawyer . . .

Hatzi-Alex Roman
Pilgrim of Jerusalem
(when you're Hatzi, you're Hatzi!)

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#174574 02/06/02 08:50 PM
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No word at all about a new eparch for the St. Nicholas Eparchy.

Bishop MICHAEL (Wiwchar) CSsR remains our Apostolic Administrator.

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Stefan-Ivan,
Are any of those 3 new bishops canidates from Ukraine going to be our new eparch?? I have also heard that one of the priets from Sts Volodymyr and Olha is a possible canidate.
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No, all of the new candidates are designated for Ukraine, although one of them was born in your eparchy (Hieromonk Hlib). Yes, the candidate from St. Volodymyr and Olha (my first parish! Those were the days!) is very good. If he becomes bishop, you guys know that God loves you very, very, very much.

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#174577 02/06/02 09:48 PM
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Daniil,
I am talking about the Sts. Wally and Olly in Chicago, the old calendar parish.Same as yours?
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Yes, that was where I was born. Just off of Marian Butrynsky Memorial Boulevard (God rest his soul!)

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Dear Alex,

Thank you for sharing that miracle. How exciting it must have been. How complacent we are. The fact the posts continued without prasing God for the work he did. All the lives that were affected by that one miracle! Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaking of Bishops, any word in regards to the selection of a Metropolitan for the Rutheians?

Rose

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Dear Rose,

Thank you!

Miracles abound everywhere for people of faith and prayer, as you know.

It seems to me that God particularly responds to us when we really take the time to pray, even pulling "all-nighters" as Christ did.

May the Holy Spirit imbue us with the spirit of prayer.

Alex

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Did I read right? "Sts. Wally and Olly"? ???? Who dat?

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SS. Voldoymer and Olha, Old Calendar Ukrainian Catholic Parish in Chicago's "Ukie Village. Very nice. I've been to D.L. there and enjoyed it. I would recommend it to others. Service entirely in Ukrainian.

Axios

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Dr. John,
It's like a nickname for Sts. Volodymyr and Olha (Sts. Vladimir and Olga).
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Originally posted by ukrainiancatholic:
Dr. John,
It's like a nickname for Sts. Volodymyr and Olha (Sts. Vladimir and Olga).
-ukrainiancatholic

Dear Dr. John,

The church looks beautiful. The Pastor, Father Ivan Krotec, sings the liturgy on the CD "Liturgy 2000" which was issued for the millenium.

http://www.ukrainianchicago.com/churches/vo/index.html

John
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Well Sts. Volodymyr and Olha is probaly the most most nationalistic parish in our St. Nicholas Eparchy. It is about a block from St. Nicholas Cathedral. (typical Ukrainians) Legend has it that in the marble floors near the $100,000 hand carved iconostas, there are mosaics of crosses and tryzubs(the national symbol of Ukraine) and when walking on these marble floors, one walks around the crosses as not to step on the tryzubs. Yes as stated in the above threads, all services are in Ukrainian and there are 4 liturgies a Sunday. My pastor claims to have spoken the first English words in that church, while giving Communion to a faithful who didn't know Ukrainian. He hasn't been back since hehehehe.
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