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Shlomo Lkhoolkhoon,
Here is a link to the Syro-Malabar Churches Particular Canon Laws.

http://www.thesyromalabarchurch.org/Laws.doc

Poosh BaShlomo Lkhoolkhoon,
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Thank you Yuhannon,

A very interesting read.

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Have these been submitted to Rome for approval, or merely promulgated? Is there date, or a letter of promulgation?

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Dear Father Elias, I thought you didn't like canon law biggrin

Thanks for the link, Yuhannon. Interesting read.

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Yuhannon and all brothers and sisters in Christ,

I am very glad that you have pointed this out. After so many references to the East-Syrian and West-Syrian liturgies I had intended to visit this church myself. The Syro-Malabar church had recently erected a diocese (or eparchy) in Chicago for the United states and the Cathedral is not too far from where I work!

Their website is just at the mid-point of being rebuilt so there is not much to see right now.

http://www.stthomasdiocese.org/

http://www.thesyromalabarchurch.org/chicago.htm

I think this is all fantastic for the people of North America and all the communicants of the Syro-Malabar church. May Almighty God bless their apostolate!!

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Dear Diak,

You are right. These laws are safe to read, because they don't apply to me.

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Dear Friends,

Viktor Pospishil, in the book I mentioned elsewhere on the Eastern Churches, highly commends the "Malabarian" Catholics for being so aggressive in restoring their own liturgical and canonical traditions in India.

So you are saying he is right . . .?

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Dear Friends,

Viktor Pospishil, in the book I mentioned elsewhere on the Eastern Churches, highly commends the "Malabarian" Catholics for being so aggressive in restoring their own liturgical and canonical traditions in India.

So you are saying he is right . . .?

Alex
I haven't been able to open the document linked above, but took a look at the rest of the site, and it looks good for the most part.

As far as the "Malabarian" Catholics being so agressive in restoring their traditions, I guess that depends on who you talk to and what you/they are defining as "their traditions". As always, it is simply more complicated than a statement like that above.

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Dear Qathuliqa,

So why are you guys so complicated? wink

Just restore your traditions and be done with it!

I suppose that if you are like us Ukies then the matter is compounded by the fact that there are some Latinisms that have somehow become so ingrained in people that they won't let go of them.

There is a saying in our language:

"Only the grave will straighten out one who is so bent over . . . " wink

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So why are you guys so complicated? wink
Dear Alex,

The problems in the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church do not really affect me at all, but basically, the problems surround the Liturgy, as I've said in other threads.

The Vatican wants the Malabar Catholics to return to their traditions, and that means that they need to become more "Chaldean" liturgically. To this end, Rome has been appointing/approving/whatever bishops that are in favour of this, so that now the entire Synod is in favour of this, and trying to implement it. And they do have support among some of the priests.

But there is another group of people, including a majority, if I'm not mistaken, of the priests, who do not want this. They claim that the Holy See is trying to put them under the control of the Chaldean Catholic Church by "chaldeanising" them. They assert that they are an independent Indian Church (in fact, a reading of some of their documents might lead one to think that they believe they are the Indian Church), and so shouldn't have such foreign influences. They are interested in an "Indian" liturgical rite that is more along the lines of what was celebrated before the arrival of the Portuguese and their subsequent "attack" on our Church. The problem with this is that those same Portuguese destroyed all the liturgical books, and so we don't know much of anything about any "Indian rite". What they are in fact promoting (whether or not they actually know this is what they're doing) is a latinised rite, complete with some Latin vestments, "Mass" facing the people, etc.

Because of this problem, things are not quite peaceful in the liturgical sphere.

Of course, a lot of this sounds like nationalism and the assertion of one's ecclesial independence from another Church, which is why I am somewhat annoyed at the Eastern Catholics in India when they side with the Patriarchal Syrian Orthodox because they recognise a very RC form of Petrine primacy, although vested in the Patriarch of Antioch, and attack the Indian Orthodox Church precisely for being "nationalistic" and "rebellious". It is hypocritical for their Synod to hold such a position when one's own house is not in order precisely for this sort of reason.

I personally wonder how committed their Synod is to the cause of restoration when they wear Latin vestments and clerical garb (see some of the pictures on that site, and compare it to the picture of the Indian Assyrian bishop on the same site, as well as pictures of their Major Archbishop's elevation to the Cardinalatial dignity, where he looked as Roman as Cardinal Sodano), when they take Western names (for example, Mar Simon Stock??), etc. Having been to one of their parishes "over there" for Liturgy and a wedding, I really couldn't tell that it was a Syro-Malabar church (statues, Stations, confessional, altar facing the people, etc.). In fact, we were told it was a Roman church, and I thought it looked pretty good for a Roman church; it was only when the Liturgy started, and I saw the phayno and cuffs the priest was wearing over his other Latin vestments, and heard the prayers which followed the Chaldean order, that I knew this was one of their churches, and wasn't Roman.

But you bring up an important point, which I think I also brought up once before. The Chaldean Catholic Church, if it ever had the latinisation problem, is probably more willing to Easternise, especially since they are very close to the Assyrian Church of the East. In India, however, this doesn't seem to be likely. When does a latinisation cease to be a latinisation? How long before such an "abuse" becomes so ingrained in the lives of the people that to remove it would cause more damage than to keep it? If one was talking only about a rite, it wouldn't be such a problem, but you are talking about a living rite that sustains people's spiritual lives. It's a tough problem.


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