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Has anyone a recipe for Imperial Torte?

Dear Scandinavian - please come back!

Incognitus

I recall that Jesus Christ had no problem describing those promoting Mortal Sin as to what they really were in the New Testament, in particular, where they would end up with final impenitence, the unforgiveable sin against the Holy Ghost. See the Gospel of Matthew, in particular, chapters 10,11,12,13,18, and 25.

Matthew 18:6 stands out in regard to causing the scandal of "little ones." This is of particular relevance to the main topic of this thread since there has been a call by pro-sodomite activists in the J. of Homosexsuality to promote something called "intergenerational intimacy," better known by its real name, which is the sexual abuse of children. In fact, in this same journal parents were told by these activists that they "should welcome the loving pedophile into their homes."

It is traditional Catholic teaching that it is the One True Triune God Who created the world. This is formalized in the Catechism of Pope Saint Pius X by observing that "whatever one Person (of the Trinity) does with regard to creatures is done by the other two Persons in one and the selfsame act. Thus, Jesus Christ, as Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, along with the Holy Ghost, were present during the events of Genesis 19, where there was no reluctance whatsoever to call the unnatural sin responsible for the destruction of the Cities of the Plain what it was. See New Testament Jude for more references to Christ along these lines.

Accordingly, why should Catholics be reluctant to follow the example of Jesus Christ, as Second Person of the Blessed Trinity existing eternally, in describing a sin that cries out to Heaven for vengeance as to what it really is, in particular, where, barring repentence, it will ultimately lead?

Axiom - "Mercy without justice is meaningless!"

The "good and gentle" Jesus understands this perfectly as Second Person of the One True Triune God eternally. Moreover, it is showing abudant mercy to correct error leading to grave sin as soon as it rears its ugly head, as opposed to the absurdity pawned off by the dissenters in the modern Church who would have us believe that such error will correct itself. Sed contra! History proves otherwise.

To anesthetize unnatural behavior by not calling it what it is, was, and will always be, is to use the language of the devil! Those struggling with inclinations to unnatural acts are not served by being anesthetized as to the severity of the intrinsic evil which has them by the jugular.

Love begins by telling the Truth, Who is a Someone, not a something. Christ Himself did not shirk from doing so, and He did not worry about who was offended in the process. His concern was the supernatural, not the natural.

Dear incognitus,

I would ask that someone with your splendid ability to conceal your identity pop 'round to Vienna in an attempt to ferret out the secret recipe.

Gaudior, who thinks the only think better than chocolate is chocolate with marzipan...

Dear Gaudior,
I have no particular reason to believe that the recipe is a secret - most Viennese pastries are available (that is, the recipes are available) in cookbooks somewhere. But in the case of the Imperial Torte I would gladly settle for the address in Vienna from which this can be ordered.

Incognitus

Its good to see that these annoying series of threads on the inconsequential issue of the loss of Christians' rights to defend the gospel message about morality have moved on to a far more appropriate and evangelicly pressing subject, pastries.

:rolleyes:

TSK TSK - same reply to 2 threads - that could count as spamming

Of course, those repeatedly hijacking threads with Imperial Torte comments aren't spamming, right?

Dear Doc Brian,

Not at all...people WANT to know about Imperial Torte...

But, Anhelyna, he posted his clever wee response of a few threads, not just two.

Gaudior, who thinks that he should simply learn to discuss chocolate like a gentleman...

Well now if I really said what I would like to - I could well be accused of spamming -- so I won't.

This really is exceedingly petty and verging on infantile

Shall we charitably return to the subject of this thread?

I'll post these comments by Pope john Paul II, which I have repeated in my own comments on this thread.

I humbly ask your forgiveness for my angry posts, the reason for which I have just privately emailed several of your Moderators and Administrator, and I will take a several week vacation from this Forum, which should please most everyone

Sunday, 9 July, 2000, 13:08 GMT 14:08 UK

Pope condemns gay rights march

Gays dressed as priests outside the Coliseum

Pope John Paul has delivered a powerful condemnation of the gay rights march held in Rome on Saturday, describing it as an offence to Christian values.

Addressing thousands of pilgrims in St Peter's Square, he said the Roman Catholic Church could not keep quiet about the truth. He said it regarded homosexual acts to be against natural law.

I must express sadness for ... the offence to Christian values of a city that is so dear to the heart of Catholics

Correspondents say his remarks will anger gay activists. They were hoping the Gay Pride march, attended by an estimated 70,000 people, would help improve relations with the Church.

But before the march - held as part of World Pride Week - the Vatican tried to get it banned.

The Pope re-affirmed the Church's position that it would not compromise in its opposition to homosexuality.

"In the name of the Church of Rome, I must express sadness for the affront to the great jubilee of the year 2000 and the offence to Christian values of a city t that is so dear to the heart of Catholics of the whole world," he said.

He went on to deliver a catechism lesson to the crowd, stressing the Church's belief that homosexual acts are against nature and are therefore intrinsically evil.

During his address, the Pope read from an entry on homosexuality in the Catholic Church's catechism, which calls it "objectively disordered". Many in the crowd applauded his words.

At the same time, the Pope acknowledged that a considerable number of people had deeply rooted homosexual tendencies, and said they should be treated with respect, compassion and delicacy.

All types of unjust discrimination towards such people must be avoided , he added.

Saturday's march from the Coliseum and the Circus Maximus - two of Rome's most famous ancient sites - was one of the biggest to take place in Rome for decades.

Jubilant

The mood was jubilant, as gays and their supporters from around the world joined in tooting whistles and carrying banners proclaiming gay pride.

Some marchers carried placards denouncing the Catholic Church.


Imma Battaglia (rght) fought hard to have the event staged
"1943: The Vatican says nothing about the deportation of Gays and Jews," one placard read. "2000: The Vatican speaks out against Gay Pride."

Among the marchers was a soberly dressed provincial priest marching in solidarity.

"I'm not the Pope, but I'm here!" the Reverend Vitaliano Della Sala said.

Many families joined in the parade - the first occasion on which gay rights has been openly presented to Italians as a legitimate human rights issue.

Prominent Italian left-wing and radical politicians were also there for the event, which took place amid heavy police security after threats by neo-Fascists to disrupt the proceedings.

Criticism

The Vatican had earlier criticised the Italian government and the Rome city authorities for allowing the parade.

Italy's prime minister Guiliano Amato ordered the country's minister for equal rights to cancel her ministry's official sponsorship of World Pride.

World Pride Week has dramatically brought gay rights issues out of the closet in Italy.

Activist Imma Battaglia, who led the battle for the parade permit, said: "No one will be able to stop us ever again. We'll continue the fight for freedom, equality and respect."

No one on this Forum has condoned the behaviour of active homosexuals...PLEASE let's just LEAVE it alone, unless you are willing to give thought to contructive methods of dealing with this "in-your-face" homosexuality without violating the laws of the land?

Gaudior, hoping you will do some thinking while you are gone.

Pope John Paul II gave you your marching orders in this regard (see especially the bold areas):

Obviously, the Church says we must not compromise, that this IS an issue far more important than pastries, and that the contructive methods of dealing with this "in-your-face" homosexuality is to fight it openly, publicly, and without compromise.

Fortunately, during my upcoming vacation, I will be blessed with the opportunity of attending the Maronite Divine Liturgy.

I will pray for you all, that you grasp the very obvious message the Pope was sending with his remarks above, and that in the future, those following his contructive methods of dealing with this "in-your-face" homosexuality be treated with far more charity here, and those posting comments diametrically opposed to his comments here, as they have on this thread, be as sternly and publicly corrected by the moderators with filial kindness, as they have so kindly corrected me here.