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[b] there is no difference between a person who is 17 years and 364 days old and a person who is 18 years and 2 days old.
There is not a big difference in the same individual 3 days later. There is, however, a large difference between children of these ages. I know of many young adults who are easily manipulated and taken advantage of into the early 20s. I also know of many young teens who were manipulative and took advantage of others. The age is an average age one could expect the average child to be mature enough to make such a decision while keeping in mind the restrictions one places on those who are above the average line as well as one own's ability to enforce the rule. Do you argue that all 13 year olds are equivalent to 18 year olds? If so, there would be no problem in having them in minor seminaries with active homosexuals because the 13 year olds could make such a decision themselves. That's preposterous! [/b]
No, the point is that ANY sexual contact between a priest and anyone is an abominable outrage! (Married priests who have wives are obviously excepted.)

I don't think that enough people were outraged when priests started messing around with adults. Messing with teen-agers is just the next logical step when men who can't control themselves are allowed in the seminary. And when you allow men who are attracted to men in the seminaries where only men live it is a bad idea!

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Dr. Eric,

Then we agree. The cultural degradation of the church was reflected in our church's leaders, which affected their choices, which affected the church. It was not homosexual priests who taught devout men to be pedophiles, but a culture fixated on sex that led to this wide spectrum of sexual aberrations we see today. The way to fix it is to promote a culture of Christ, from which all goodness will flow.

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Yes we agree, and it took a long time to get there! eek

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Yes we agree, and it took a long time to get there! eek
Sing praise to the LORD, you His godly ones,
And give thanks to His holy name.
For His anger is but for a moment,
His favor is for a lifetime;
Weeping may last for the night,
But a shout of joy comes in the morning.
Ps 30:5-6
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That man is a sicko and the interview probably does more harm than good, though I guess it's a catharsis for the victims. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear can observe this guy closely and use their observations to recognized other possibly hidden sickos.

Jonn, are you a convert? I ask because I've noticed that cradle catholics are din my mind disturbingly passive about these scandal and defensive of protests against them. It's the converts who get up in arms at the mere thought of them.

Can anybody explain this? I assume it's a serious cultural difference between cradle and convert mentality.

Peace,
Indigo
how very interesting you should ask if I am a convert. just this morning, I thought about how I could post what I posted, and here's your answer,bro:I was baptized as a babe in a Passionist monastery, my father was Catholic, Mom a Protestant. I was raised nothing so to say, but I did accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour at age nine in a Presbyterian church. at fifteen, I joined the Mormons and stayed there eight years, I came back to Holy Mother Church and am a solid EC. however, down here in Dixie, we are social Protestants, I can count my Catholic friends on one hand. I attended a Baptist seminary on a private scholarship. so here's the deal, I can make my observations and not fear being isolated by other Catholics, because I don't care what other Catholics may think of what I have to say, I am Catholic, but I am not in a ghetto as Catholics up North may be in. believe me, I lived in Queens for four years of my childhood, and know all about Ethnic Catholic ghettoes and by God, you better toe the line or else. I hope that answers your question, bro.
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Again I don't understand what homosexuals have to do with pedophiles. One is attracted to those of a legal age and the same sex, the other is attracted to children. What would barring those with SSA do for the problem of pedophilia? And
This special issue reflects the substantial, influential, and growing segment of the homosexual community that neither hides nor condemns pedophilia. Rather they argue that pedophilia is an acceptable aspect of sexuality, especially of homosexuality. Indeed, the San Francisco Sentinel, a Bay Area gay-activist newspaper, published a piece arguing that pedophilia is central to male homosexual life" (7).

Gay advocates correctly state that most child molesters are heterosexual males. But this is a misleading statement. In proportion to their numbers (about 1 out of 36 men), homosexual males are more likely to engage in sex with minors: in fact, they appear to be three times more likely than straight men to engage in adult-child sexual relations (8). And this does not take into account the cases of homosexual child abuse which are unreported. NARTH's Executive Director Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, for example, says that about one third of his 400 adult homosexual clients said they had experienced some form of homosexual abuse before the age of consent, but only two of those cases had been reported.

While no more than 2% of male adults are homosexual, some studies indicate that approximately 35% of pedophiles are homosexual (9). Further, since homosexual pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles (10), it is estimated that approximately 80% of pedophilic victims are boys who have been molested by adult males (11).

Homosexual Men Were Often Childhood Victims

Dr. Nicolosi says that many of his clients' childhood sexual contacts occurred with a trusted older person, and were perceived at the time of the abuse as loving. Other sexual-reorientation therapists report similar high rates of molestation among their clients (12, 13).

Tragically, the abused child is then more likely to become an abuser in adulthood (14). Thus, it is not surprising that we see more pedophilia among homosexual men: since they are more likely to have been victims of abuse, they are also more likely to initiate a repetition of that abuse with a same-sex child.

Which Child is Most Likely to Become a Victim?

Certain children are especially vulnerable to abuse - especially the boy who is predisposed to homosexuality. The prehomosexual boy is very often lonely, alienated from his father, and experiencing frustrating same-sex peer relationships. He quite naturally craves male attention, affection and approval.

Often the same boy is also experiencing an overly intense and intimate relationship with his mother, which makes normal masculine individuation difficult. An intimate relationship with a man is one place of separation and individuation "where Mother cannot go" (15).

When this lonely boy receives flattering attention from an older male, then a link is established between love and homoerotic sex. The boy comes to believe, "If I want love from men, I must have sex with them." Thus the normal and natural developmental need of same-sex love and approval has become eroticized. The boy may then develop a compulsive, promiscuous sexual habit pattern, which in gay life is seen fairly frequently.

Many Gay Biographies Tell the Story

In his life story, Breaking the Surface, Olympic diver Greg Louganis tells the poignant tale of his own experience with adult-child sex. He was an unusually sensitive boy, with an intense closeness with his mother, and a distant, fearful relationship with his father. Lonely and starving for male affection, he was molested by an older man he encountered on the beach. In his childish neediness, Louganis - like many victims of man-boy molestation - perceived that relationship as loving.

http://www.narth.com/docs/pedophNEW.html

an organization whose long time Catholic president Dr. Joseph Nicolosi was twice a guest on EWTN.

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Criostoir,

Thank you very much. The connection between homosexual behavior and same sex molestation of especially boys has been known for at least as long as human history. The propaganda of the last 40 years to the contrary is just nonsense and I think even the propagandists know it. It is a terrible disservice to all concerned to allow self identified gays into seminary. I do think that for some men marriage helps them grow up sexually, but I don't think that is necessary.

CDL

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