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This is not a particularly "Byzantine" or "Eastern" question... that's why I posted it in "Town Hall."
I noticed Cardinal Avery Dulles, the American theologian from Fordham University in NYC, at the Holy Father's funeral. He was wearing a miter, as were all the other Latin cardinals.
It was my understanding that when Cardinal Dulles was created Cardinal, he declined to be ordained a bishop, deciding simply to remain a priest. Was this the case? If so, may a Cardinal who is a priest (as distinguished from a Cardinal-Priest) wear a miter?
Curious....
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Martin,
All Cardinals, regardless of whether they have been ordained to the episcopate, wear the miter as part of their liturgical vesture.
Many years,
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Wasn't Cardinal Dulles a convert to Roman Catholicism?
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I think his father was the convert, the noteworthy American politician?
(the one the aeroport is named for?)
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Avery Cardinal Dulles is the convert. His father, John Foster Dulles, was Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration.
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Originally posted by Irish Melkite:
Martin,
All Cardinals, regardless of whether they have been ordained to the episcopate, wear the miter as part of their liturgical vesture.
Many years,
Neil Thanks, Neil. Interesting!
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I've been wondering: why is it "<first name> Cardinal <last name>" and not "Cardinal <first name> <last name>"?
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As an aside here I recently learned that Avery Cardinal Dulles is too old to vote in the election. I believe he is 80 or slightly older. He was a college professor before his appointment.
He was especially known some years ago for his book, Models of the Church which we used extensively in training for catechetical work.
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If I'm not mistaken, Avery Cardinal Dulles was brought into the Catholic Church by none other than Father Leonard Feeney, formerly S.J., latterly M.I.C.M.
I'm told that some of Father Leonard's followers are still promoting "Feeneyism sine fine", so to speak.
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Originally posted by Chtec:
I've been wondering: why is it "<first name> Cardinal <last name>" and not "Cardinal <first name> <last name>"?
Dave umm - convention as far as I know
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Originally posted by Porter:
As an aside here I recently learned that Avery Cardinal Dulles is too old to vote in the election.
Porter All of those cardinals who are not bishops (eg. priest cardinals, not promoted to be bishops) were only appointed on purpose, after their 80th birthday, so that it would not come up, that there were non-episcopal electors. Cardinal Fr. Spidlik, S.J., is another example.
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Originally posted by Chtec:
I've been wondering: why is it "<first name> Cardinal <last name>" and not "Cardinal <first name> <last name>"?
Dave I think it has something to do with princely titles, like those in europe. Cardinals are like princes.... Albert, Prince of Monaco Ernst, Prince of Hanover William, Cardinal Baum
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Originally posted by nicholas: Originally posted by Porter:
[b] As an aside here I recently learned that Avery Cardinal Dulles is too old to vote in the election.
Porter And they call the Eastern Churches "byzantine" ?!?  Σώσον, Κύριε, καί διαφύλαξον η�άς από τών Βασιλιάνικων τάξεων!
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They do that with Popes who became canonized too, which sounds awkward to me. Like, "Pope St. Pius X" (or future "Pope St. John Paul the Great").
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Originally posted by incognitus:
If I'm not mistaken, Avery Cardinal Dulles was brought into the Catholic Church by none other than Father Leonard Feeney, formerly S.J., latterly M.I.C.M.
I'm told that some of Father Leonard's followers are still promoting "Feeneyism sine fine", so to speak.
Incognitus Avery Dulles was received into the Catholic Church in 1940. According to one source, his affiliation with Father Feeney occured about a year after his conversion, when Dulles help found the St Benedict Center.
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