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As they say in psychology "correlation is not causation." Those who practice NFP, or what our brother Ghazar calls "supernatural family planning" ie nothing, are obviously Catholics who are trying to follow the Church's teachings to the letter. Those who contracept are not. Those who try to follow the Church's teachings will not destroy their marriages easily and therefore have extremely low divorce rates.

But here is a graph of the correlation of divorce rates before during and after the introduction of contraceptives en masse on the populace:

http://www.omsoul.com/pdfs/DivorceandGraph.pdf

But once again, Dr. Eric, that chart is coming out of an organization called "One More Soul", which I don't consider an unbiased source. If what you're saying is true, that there's a link between couples using NFP and having a lower divorce rate, it should show up in all sorts of surveys and studies, not just those coming out of Catholic sources.

It should be so obvious that even nonbelievers would say, "Hey, I still don't believe all that Catholic NFP stuff, but it's still kind of impressive that they have a lower divorce rate when they use it."

If the only sources saying that NFP causes fewer divorces are sources recommending NFP, then I'd rather you just say, "NFP is the right thing to do because the Church teaches it," rather than saying, "NFP is the right thing to do because it's scientifically proven to result in fewer divorces."

And just to bring this back around to the original post in this thread, it's worth considering that homosexuals don't use artificial birth control, so perhaps that's not the best measure of whether gay marriage is right or wrong.

Unless the report is purely fabricated it does show an historical link between ABC and divorce. I will admit that it does not show a link between NFP and anything unless I'm missing something.

CDL

No, I'm not saying it's fabricated, just that it's not complete, or definitive.

Well it's obvious that this article makes Sun Yung Moon very happy since he owns the Washington Times. If you ask him he'll probably say theres a 1% divorce rate with his mass group marriages. I'm sure Emmanuel Milingo would agree.

Denmark has had homosexual marriage since 1994 and theres been very few people choosing to use it since than. Having laws for Homosexual marriage enacted is much more of a symbolic victory than something truly useful for homosexuals. It's just like second wave feminism, where women just want to do the same thing men can, just for the sake of saying that they are equal in every single way and "exactly the same". Such as fighting in a war for instance, even though many men hardly survive fighting in a war without nightmares.

If it's not already obvious, in time we will see that these silly ideas such as women fighting wars and homosexuals having babies actually make no sense at all!

Why is the idea of women fighting wars any sillier than that of men fighting wars?

What I'm interested to see is when a couple of homosexuals has some how laid hands on a child, how the courts will respond regarding child support. As it stands now, if for example a lesbian went and artifically impregnated with her "partner's" support, when the divorce occurred the parnter not biologically related to the child would have no finical liabity if she didn't legally adopt. Equally the unrelated partner would have absolutely no visitation or other custody related rights.