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Pope Benedict XVI, through Cardinal Sodano, the Vatican Secretary of State, officially responds to the written request of Metropolitan Volodymyr of the UOC-MP to "rescind" the transfer of the UGCC hq from Lviv to Kyiv under a warning of "serious consequences" if it was not acted upon! :rolleyes:

Breaking news at:

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=40339

UGCC did it as a Church sui juris! Rome supports it and it will defend it!

Amado

Dear Amado,

This is wonderful news if valid. The reason I state that is:

1. I feel if this were a valid church communication, then the UGCC would be decribed accurately.

2. A typo of this nature in a Church communication causes me some concern.

That is all. Truthfully, if this is valid, I do rejoice!

Michael

I can't wait for the comments to appear on the site attached to the story. They're usually some pretty entertaining ones posted on CWN about how Russia needs to convert, the hierarchy is all in the KGB, etc.

Andrew

Dear L&F:

Those typos are not attributable to the Church communications, as they are not being entirely quoted by CWNews.

They should be attributable to CWNews proof readers/encoders!

Amado

Well Michael if it means anything its true that RISU ran the story: Pope Approves Move of Greek Catholic Head to Kyiv [risu.org.ua]

Assuming the veracity of this message the Holy See's response to the UOC-MP gives me much hope for the future. Benedict XVI's 'communio' ecclesiology has guided his writings on the Church since he was a simple theologian called Fr Ratzinger and I think the implementation of this, allowing the Eastern Synods to govern themselves as is right, can only be good for the Catholica.

Well why not moving it to Kharkiv or Donetsk, why to Kiev? Is it absolutely necesary??

I'll get my head in my hands for this BUT

To this idiot it seems ridiculous that the Head of the UGCC does not have his Cathedral in the capital of the country

Anhelyna

now let the battle begin - AGAIN

"Shine in splendor, O New Jerusalem, For the glory of the Lord is risen upon you, O Sion sing with joy and rejoice,and you, pure Mother of God, rejoice in the exaltation of your Son."
"Eis polla eta"
Stephanos I

Because -----

In 1596, our Church affirmed our faith and loyalty as the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in communion with the Holy See in Rome. - the Union Of Brest.

Because - our Metropolitan is finally free to return to his proper See.

Now, we have to work on that "all Rus" part.

The text of the Union may be found at:

http://www.archeparchy.ca/archeparchy/history/brest.htm

John
Pilgrim and Odd Duck

To stick it to the Russians.

Andrew

Don't you think it is rather humorous that those who we decrying that Rome intervined in Eastern affairs now cry out for Rome to do it?
Stephanos I
"Oh the lengths to which we will go when it involves our own agenda."

Stephanos I writes: "Don't you think it is rather humorous that those who we decrying that Rome intervined in Eastern affairs now cry out for Rome to do it?"

Have I missed something? I seem to remember that Saint Paul teaches that we are "intervined" with, or to, the Israel of God, by engrafting, so presumably we are also "intervined" with one another.

Incognitus

Rillian,

This was not to stick it to the Russians.

This was to return our Apostolic Church *back* to Kyiv where it all began-- where St. Andrew came and blessed, and where Volodymyr made Ukraine into a Christian kingdom.

As I have said before in earlier posts, I doubt our church is much concerened with Russia at all. This move is for Ukraine, its people, and for the Glory of God.

If our church was concerned with Russia, we would have disbanded a long, long time ago.

No, this move was spiritual, not political.

-uc

Except there's an apostolic church headquartered there already with a Metropolitan. Do you consider that church to be a valid inheritor of the Kievan tradition and its apostolic links?

The reason given on RISU [risu.org.ua] was the following.

RISU note: According to a recent statement of Fr. Ihor Yatsiv, press secretary of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church (UGCC), the key reason for the transfer of the UGCC�s metropolitan see to Kyiv is the need to improve the administrative activities of the church. According to him, the head of the UGCC should be more available for the common faithful living all over Ukraine. �Our church is not a regional one. Therefore the move of the head of the UGCC to Kyiv is not a demonstration of aggression but a vital necessity,� said Fr. Yatsiv

Andrew

"Except there's an apostolic church headquartered there already with a Metropolitan. Do you consider that church to be a valid inheritor of the Kievan tradition and its apostolic links? "


In my opinion, no. The link is lost in loyalty to the Moscow church. I say this in a spiritual sense because Kyiv is an Apolstolic city, not Moscow.

Moscow is a spiritual duaghter of Kyiv, no doubt, but Kyiv is the parent.

The move to Kyiv by the hierarchy of the UGCC is a twofold spiritual reason: To return the Church to the Apolstolic orgins from which it came and now flourishes, and to work prayerfully and dillegently for the establishment of a united Kyivan Patriarchate.

Kyivan Patriarchate. Not a just a Metropolitan See subserviant to the daughter church in Moscow.

-uc

note: These views are mine, and not specifically of the UGCC!