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OK - let's see about this

On this side of the Big Pond and certainly up here in civilisation :p , I have to say I have not noticed any great outpouring of joy over this particular Wedding. Oh yes - the newspapers have gone mad with their coverage - but I really don't think that most folk are bothered by it - there seems to be a degree of "oh let them get on with it and I really don't care too hoots " mentality.

They really are rather remote from us. I don't think we would wish them nay harm - but I think all the hoo haa really was a bit OTT .

Someone somewhere has an awful lot to answer for with the various mess ups that happened - and I'm sure you know what I meant there -- I mean they must have realised that if Windsor Castle was licenced for Weddings then every Tom Dick and Harry [ ] could apply to get married there.

Then once that was sorted out we hit some new snags - which were certainly not of their making either , but they added to the farcical nature of things .

I'm still of the opinion that Princess Anne did it the easy way - she married in the Church of Scotland and was therefore permitted a Church Wedding - no fuss - no questions asked in Parliament , no debate as to the legality of it etc etc - she just set the date and got on with it

PS You watched it Incognitus ? - I couldn't even be bothered - and my husband moaned because the Grand National had to be re-timetabled - he was not a happy camper - and important race postponed for THAT WEDDING - hmphm

Dear incognitus,

Since they had no regard for promises made last time in Church, I am sure Chuck and his former mistress are not taking any notice of promises made in Church this time either.

Not to mention, it is also the reason why Chuck should be disqualified from making any coronation vows either, he simply doesn't seem to believe that they are binding on him at all.

Nick

Anhelyna - since you are writing from Glasgow, the response becomes even more obvious - send these pseudo-royals back to wherever will have them (which could be a problem) and bring the Stuarts home where they belong. The current heir is well behaved and the next heir is the Prince of Lichtenstein, who is a Hapsburg and therefore a perfectly genuine royal. The Hapsburgs, incidentally, have no blood relationship whatever to the usurpers in Windsor - which may explain why the Hapsburgs do not have hemophilia.

I watched the farce only as far as the Grechaninov Credo - the music was nice but the whole thing was absurd. To the best of my observation, there were zero representatives of the Catholic Royal Houses present.

Incognitus

Who is the present TRUE heir to the throne? (the "king over the water")

And are they Catholic?

Herb

Wishing the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall lots of luck! I hope that they have a happy and prosperous marriage!

Long live the future King and Queen!

Anton

P.S. I believe Prince Felipe of Spain and his wife were invited but they had a prior engagement...hence why they didn't come. The Bourbons are very close to the Windsors as well...

Dear Anton,

You are O.K., Big Guy!

You are O.K.!

Alex

Well had I known the Creed would be sung in Russian I might have even watched the blessing of Charles and Camilla's union. Nonetheless, I doubt I missed much.

I love the Monarchy, part of me wishes for a strong upstaning Sovereign who will close parliament and rule Britain justly and fairly by the Grace of God using the privy Council as it used to be. My wouldnt it be grand, and end to populist politics...

However, I just dont see Charles as that person and I think that he and Camilla have dented the 'aura of monarchy' by being married in a registry office. I wont even get into what I feel about their relationship as a Roman Catholic but as a Briton I feel like the crown has begun loosing its sheen.

Ah well it is the destiny of earthly kindgoms to die there is only one Kingdom, the Davidic Kingdom, over which the gates of Hell shall never prevail. But O wouldnt it be unhappy for England to someday become a Republic.

Poor, poor dowry of Our Lady Queen of the family what has become of you?

Dear Myles,

Actually, Queen Elizabeth II (the "I" in Scotland) is the monarch over Britain and her other realms and territories.

There is no other.

And if her longevity is anything like that of her mother . . .

I also do believe that Charles will become Orthodox one day . . .

Isn't that wonderful, if it happened?

Then we could look forward to the Nicene Creed sung (sans Filioque) all the time at Royal events!

You need not thank me for making your day . . .

Alex

Charles as an Orthodox...wow that would be something. I wonder if we could have some (all) Bishops for the Anglican communion thus duly appointed by the Ecumenical Patriarchate

No, no, no. Dont stop there. ALL ANGLICAN CLERGY. Yes, yes. Trained in Halki, which of course we would use British troops to secure. HAHAHAHAH.

Yes, we could even move the Patriarchate to Britain!!! Indeed, we could just collapse the Anglican communion and see it transformed into the Orthodox Church of England. All Anglicans the world over would be obliged to accept the authority of the Episcopate and the Ecumenical Councils.

JOY, JOY.

SACRAMENTS!!

HURRAH!

I don't even want to know what you guys have been smoking.

BRING IT ON!!!!
Michael

Dear Herbigny,
The present legitimate Stuart heir to the thrones of the Three Kingdoms is H. M. King Francis (God grant him long life) of Bavaria, who can be reached at the Royal Palace in Munich. The King is unmarried; since the succession laws of Bavaria are not the same as the succession laws of the Three Kingdoms the Stuart claim will pass to the Prince of Lichtenstein on the repose of King Francis.
Both the Imperial House of Hapsburg and the Royal House of Bavaria are Catholic.

As to the absence of any genuine royals from the pseudo-wedding the other day - perhaps the real royals arranged to have what one friend of mine often refers to as "a subsequent engagement".
Blessed Charles of Austria, pray for us!

Incognitus

It is said that Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has always expected Prince Philip to be loyal, not faithful....

Prince Charles first met and fell in love with Camilla many many years ago. The wedding ceremony that included Princess Diana (see how I worded that?) was a great show.

In the eyes of God Charles is married to Camilla, the woman he has always loved. In the eyes of the State (and the world!), Charles was wedded to Diana.

Any Christian knows the difference between the two. The State Ceremony captured the attention of the world's media-- it was a grand fairy tale.

The simple registry office service where Charles and Camilla got married... got God's attention.

A man and a woman's intention counts for everything when wanting to get God's attention. Their intention was true last weekend... and they went to Church first thing Sunday morning... in a place where the wild geese fly freely! blessing, wg

Three kingdoms? Our unknown friend offers another riddle. Now, England is a kingdom, and Scotland is a kingdom, but Wales is only a principality. Would the third kingdom be France or Ireland, both (once) claimed by the English crown?

Nick

Herb,

As Incognitus has noted, King Francis is the true heir. The male line of the Royal House of Stuart became extinct with the death of Henry (IX) Benedict Mary Clement Stuart, Duke of York, Cardinal-Bishop of Ostia (the present holder of which See is HE Cardinal Ratzinger), and Archbishop ad personam of Frascati, of blessed memory, in 1807.

He succeeded his elder brother, Charles III Stuart, of blessed memory, in 1788, when Bonnie Prince Charlie reposed without legitimate issue. On the death of Henry Cardinal Stuart, title passed to Charles Emmanuel of Savoy, King of Sardinia; Franz is the present heir of that line.

Many years,

Neil